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[Herman Trivilino]

Wordle 1,141 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,141 2/6

[CLASP] 2 left: SCALE SCALY
[SCALE] Looked more probable to be chosen by a human

I got tired of starting with weird words, containing unpopular letters, so I ran the program until one came up that contained more appropriate letters for a first guess. It paid off!

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,141 2/6

Wordle 1,141 2/6

[CLASP] 2 left: SCALE SCALY
[SCALE] Looked more probable to be chosen by a human

I got tired of starting with weird words, containing unpopular letters, so I ran the program until one came up that contained more appropriate letters for a first guess. It paid off!

I have stuck with the same seed word of most popular letters and it paid off for me too. Why do you bother asking the program give you a seed word if you are going to override it when and if the spirit moves you?

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,141 2/6





I have stuck with the same seed word of most popular letters and it paid off for me too. Why do you bother asking the program give you a seed word if you are going to override it when and if the spirit moves you?

The idea was to choose a seed word that was never used as an answer before to always have the possibility of getting it in one try.

I was also testing how well I could get to the answer quickly with any first guess. The last puzzles weren't as good as I would expected.

Technically, I should evaluate the occurrence of the letters in all possible answers to help me pick my first guess. Maybe in the future.

 

[OmCheeto]

Technically, I should evaluate the occurrence of the letters in all possible answers to help me pick my first guess. Maybe in the future.

Like this?
Occurrences of letters in each position for known remaining solutions as of Aug 3, 2024.

letter	1	2	3	4	5
a	70	174	144	82	37
b	93	8	36	16	5
c	103	21	25	76	12
d	68	13	40	34	61
e	35	132	92	185	199
f	71	5	16	19	13
g	56	1	40	41	22
h	35	65	6	14	70
i	17	119	141	84	7
j	11	0	2	1	0
k	10	5	7	26	60
l	47	102	68	86	83
m	53	19	41	33	23
n	24	41	78	93	78
o	26	140	113	76	30
p	81	33	27	33	33
q	12	1	0	0	0
r	59	139	85	69	123
s	207	6	55	96	24
t	77	38	65	75	118
u	14	121	87	47	0
v	24	9	30	24	0
w	46	25	16	16	11
x	0	5	7	1	5
y	1	18	11	3	225
z	1	1	9	11	2

Using this chart, I generate the rankings of my seeds:
the 'm' columns indicate the count where the letter matches the position.
the 'c' columns indicate the count where the letter is contained somewhere in the word.
the ultimate 'score' is based on both sets of numbers multiplied by the square of the (unique letters)/5.
I've included some low ranking entries to indicate how although a word might have some high scoring letters, the fact that they use 3 'e's doesn't really help that much.

		1	2	3	4	5	1	2	3	4	5
rank	word	m	m	m	m	m	c	c	c	c	c	score	(unique letters)/5
1​	saner​	207	174	78	185	123	388	507	314	643	475	6162	1​
2​	sauce​	207	174	87	76	199	388	507	269	237	643	5759	1​
3​	suite	207	121	141	75	199	388	269	368	373	643	5756	1​
4​	stare​	207	38	144	69	199	388	373	507	475	643	5671	1​
5​	safer​	207	174	16	185	123	388	507	124	643	475	5662	1​
6​	share	207	65	144	69	199	388	190	507	475	643	5623	1​
7​	shale​	207	65	144	86	199	388	190	507	386	643	5619	1​
8​	arise	70	139	141	96	199	507	475	368	388	643	5606	1​
9​	sabre​	207	174	36	69	199	388	507	158	475	643	5596	1​
10​	sable	207	174	36	86	199	388	507	158	386	643	5592	1​
11​	siren​	207	119	85	185	78	388	368	475	643	314	5558	1​
12​	saucy	207	174	87	76	225	388	507	269	237	258	5504	1​
13​	sober	207	140	36	185	123	388	385	158	643	475	5504	1​
14​	soapy	207	140	144	33	225	388	385	507	207	258	5490	1​
15​	arose	70	139	113	96	199	507	475	385	388	643	5483	1​
16​	spare​	207	33	144	69	199	388	207	507	475	643	5480	1​
17​	taser	77	174	55	185	123	373	507	388	643	475	5456	1​
18​	cagey	103	174	40	185	225	237	507	160	643	258	5440	1​
19​	slide​	207	102	141	34	199	388	386	368	216	643	5416	1​
20​	sadly	207	174	40	86	225	388	507	216	386	258	5415	1​
547​	sleet​	207	102	92	185	118	388	386	643	643	373	3809.9	0.8​
561​	spree	207	33	85	185	199	388	207	475	643	643	3776.6	0.8​
573​	scree	207	21	85	185	199	388	237	475	643	643	3757.4	0.8​
596​	cease	103	132	144	96	199	237	643	507	388	643	3704.3	0.8​
605​	steer	207	38	92	185	123	388	373	643	643	475	3678.1	0.8​
614​	erase	35	139	144	96	199	643	475	507	388	643	3661.4	0.8​
1168​	rarer	59	174	85	185	123	475	507	475	643	475	2053.8	0.6​
1170​	melee	53	132	68	185	199	169	643	386	643	643	2040.8	0.6​
1171​	tepee	77	132	27	185	199	373	643	207	643	643	2019.2	0.6​
1178​	eerie	35	132	85	84	199	643	643	475	368	643	1960.9	0.6​
1183​	freer	71	139	92	185	123	124	475	643	643	475	1947.6	0.6​
1188​	geese	56	132	92	96	199	160	643	643	388	643	1926.7	0.6​
1241​	mamma	53	174	41	33	37	169	507	169	169	507	513.8	0.4​

 

[OmCheeto]

I have stuck with the same seed word of most popular letters and it paid off for me too.

I've gone the opposite route as of late. I now base my daily seed word on the previous days solution.
I set the limit at 100, but just passed 50, and I'm getting bored with this method.
So as always: adjusting knobs, looking at dials, scratching head, adjusting more knobs, repeat.....

soln game date	solution	next days seed
8/1/2024	chalk	snore
7/31/2024	penne	artsy
7/30/2024	feral	scion
7/29/2024	super	tonal
7/28/2024	smock	aider
7/27/2024	juice	stray
7/26/2024	awash	prone
7/25/2024	porch	least
7/24/2024	forte	sadly

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,141 4/6

[SCALE] Looked more probable to be chosen by a human

I agree, SCALY is more likely chosen by the Lizard People.

 

[kuruman]

and I'm getting bored with this method.

Have you tried Octordle? You have 13 tries to guess eight 5-letter words and the guesses are common to all. Finding the best common filter is much more challenging not to mention that used words can be reused. If you are looking for holes-in-one, Octordle is a better bet than Wordle.

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,141 4/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 142 3/6

 

[fresh_42]

Wordle 1,142 4/6

 

[Orodruin]

Have you tried Octordle?

I used to be an octordle junkie. In particular for the rescue puzzle … this reminded me of old times …

Daily Rescue Octordle #923




Score: 9

 

[kuruman]

I used to be an octordle junkie. In particular for the rescue puzzle … this reminded me of old times …

Daily Rescue Octordle #923




Score: 9

Actually, you introduced me to octordle. Rescue mode is probably the funnest.

Daily Rescue Octordle #922




Score: 8

 

[OmCheeto]

Have you tried Octordle? You have 13 tries to guess eight 5-letter words and the guesses are common to all. Finding the best common filter is much more challenging not to mention that used words can be reused. If you are looking for holes-in-one, Octordle is a better bet than Wordle.

Just once, a long time ago:
2022.02.23.Wednesday
Daily Octordle #30





back when lots of us were figuring out Wordle

2022.02.07.Monday

Solving Wordle using information theory
1,111,114 views
Feb 6, 2022
3Blue1Brown
4.28M subscribers

It looks like I also played 'Absurdle'
2022.01.23.Sunday
Absurdle 8/∞










tried
poach
bulge
assay
wavey
fanny
jammy
jazzy

This is the oldest evidence that I played Wordle about a month prior:

2022.01.16.Sunday
Wordle 211 5/6
weird
could
royal
molar
solar

Ha! What a newb.

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,142 4/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,142 4/6

[CLOUT] 29 left
[DENAY] filter - 4 left: BOWEL HOVEL LOWER VOWEL
[VOWEL] possible answer, filter, more appealing than BOWEL

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,142 2/6

Standard seed, 30 left
Filter consisting of 5 most frequent letters - dumb luck.

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,142 4/6

REACH
GREEN
SKIER
LOWER

Maybe one of you spreadsheet jockeys can tell me how many possibles I had after my third guess. I stare at the Wordle screen (which shows what letters are still in play) and LOWER just bubbles up in my mind. I don't know how that works. It is more mysterious to me than "picking" between two choices.

 

[Herman Trivilino]

Wordle 1,142 4/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,142 4/6

REACH
GREEN
SKIER
LOWER

Maybe one of you spreadsheet jockeys can tell me how many possibles I had after my third guess. I stare at the Wordle screen (which shows what letters are still in play) and LOWER just bubbles up in my mind. I don't know how that works. It is more mysterious to me than "picking" between two choices.

This is probably why I use a spreadsheet. Like you, I would see maybe two or three words out of the 23 words that you actually ended up having to choose from after your third guess:

Spoiler: Spoiler Alert!

word	game # or ‘not played’ = 0
bluer	0​
tower	0​
tuber	0​
buyer	0​
boxer	0​
mover	0​
mower	0​
purer	0​
otter	0​
odder	0​
upper	0​
udder	0​
offer	0​
lower	1142​
wooer	78​
foyer	304​
power	400​
voter	644​
utter	704​
flyer	759​
lover	781​
older	814​
outer	1058​

I included the already played solution words as you said you don't keep track of those.

 

[gmax137]

Like you, I would see maybe two or three words out of the 23 words that you actually ended up having to choose from after your third guess:

Thanks Om!
Wow I would not have guessed there were that many (23) possible words. But reading thru the list, they are all (or mostly) "obvious." I am surprised I didn't "see" them, and so it must be dumb luck that I did see the correct answer.

 

[dwarde]

Just too many possibilities for a guy who has no strategy except a sometimes futile process of elimination.
Wordle 1,142 X/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Thanks Om!
Wow I would not have guessed there were that many (23) possible words. But reading thru the list, they are all (or mostly) "obvious." I am surprised I didn't "see" them, and so it must be dumb luck that I did see the correct answer.

I've often said to myself that this game is 95% dumb luck.
Doesn't take away from the fun though.
Ever play Roulette?
I've only played it once. Pretty sure it was Reno.
The best part of the game was interacting with my fellow gamblers.
Few other games were slow enough to have conversations.
Reminds me of the last concert I went to: Roger Waters
While the concert was up to my standards of brilliance, the couple behind me, from Algeria* and France made the event 10 times more pleasurable.
Connecting with people from around the world, with commonalities in thoughts..... <3
....
Don't get me going....

*It may have been Tunisia. Although I'm moderately well versed on where all the countries of world are, my dyslexia will booger the answer, 9 times out of 10.

 

[OmCheeto]

Just too many possibilities for a guy who has no strategy except a sometimes futile process of elimination.
Wordle 1,142 X/6

Just a minor background check on myself as to why I ended up not playing like this.

I used to be a nuclear power plant operator.
One mistake, and, BOOM!
Several god knows how many billion of dollars down the drain and 8 billion people pissed at me.

Hence, why I play in what I call 'safe mode' , much of the time.

 

[Orodruin]

This is when many times it is better to use a pure filter word rather than try to just fill in the blanks. That is, you pick a word that cannot be the solution, but it will filter out (preferably at least) four letters in one guess.

 

[kuruman]

Just too many possibilities for a guy who has no strategy except a sometimes futile process of elimination.
Wordle 1,142 X/6

If you have degeneracies, i.e. a pattern that admits many solutions, it is not a good strategy to guess the missing letters because there is a good chance to run out of guesses. A better strategy is what we have been discussing here, (a) write down all the candidates that fit your particular pattern (you will need the list of eligible words for this) and (b) design a filter that will discriminate among most of the candidates, preferably all.

For example, say that the letters in the first occurrence of your pattern , were _ L _ T E (not the actual letters in 1,142). There are 5 candidates ELATE, ELITE, FLUTE, PLATE, SLATE and only 3 guesses left. If you enter them alphabetically and the answer is PLATE or SLATE, you are out of luck.
Instead, you enter PAUSE as a guess 4 filter. This works because

1. If the answer is PLATE, then P should appear as correct in position 1 and A as somewhere but not in position 2.
2. If the answer is ELATE, then A should appear as somewhere but not in position 2.
3. If the answer is SLATE, then A and S should appear as somewhere but not in respective positions 2 and 4.
4. If the answer is FLUTE, then U should appear as somewhere but not correct in position 3.
5. If no new filter letters appear, then the answer is ELITE.

Thus, the filter removes the fivefold degeneracy and guarantees a solution in 5 guesses.

 

[Orodruin]

If the answer is FLUTE, then U should appear as somewhere but not in position 3.

U is in position 3 in both PAUSE and FLUTE …

 

[fresh_42]

Wordle 1,143 5/6

 

[kuruman]

U is in position 3 in both PAUSE and FLUTE …

Of course. I edited this message many times before posting and lost track of what's where. However, in this case it doesn't matter because U appears only in FLUTE and one can get it right even when one cannot count to 5 like me.

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 143 3/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,143 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,143 3/6

[LEMUR] 4 left: ENSUE FUGUE ISSUE VOGUE
[FUNGI] filter


First time I have had an issue with my program. The suggested filters were VEGOS and VLOGS, obviously looking for words with the letters GOSV. Both of them would have never filtered properly. I may have to revise the method to define the best filter word.

Human intervention saved the day again.

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,143 3/6

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,143 4/6

 

[sbrothy]

Wordle 1,143 5/6*







Sorry. I've had other stuff going on recently...

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,143 3/6

 

[Herman Trivilino]

Wordle 1,143 3/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 144 3/6

 

[fresh_42]

Wordle 1,144 4/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,144 3/6

 

[sbrothy]

Wordle 1.144 4/6*

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,144 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,144 3/6

[STILT] 30 left
[DRAVE] filter - 2 left: ANVIL CAVIL
[ANVIL] seemed more probable to be picked by a human

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,144 5/6

 

[Herman Trivilino]

Wordle 1,144 3/6

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,144 4/6

 

[fresh_42]

Wordle 1,145 5/6







I think the first three lines are a new record.

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 145 4/6


2 left …
drat!

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,145 3/6

177 left
1 left


Guessing this was 99% luck as the global average was 4.6 today.

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,145 4/6