Work done by gas in adiabatic process

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The discussion centers on the work done by an ideal gas during an adiabatic process, exploring different equations and their equivalences. Participants reference specific equations and concepts related to thermodynamics, particularly focusing on the relationship between pressure, volume, and work in adiabatic conditions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that in an adiabatic process, the relationship PVγ = constant holds true and questions the validity of a specific equation for work done, suggesting it is not commonly seen.
  • Another participant proposes that the two equations for work done are equivalent by re-expressing the formula using the adiabatic condition P1V1γ = P2V2γ.
  • A participant reiterates the initial question about the work done and clarifies the GRE answer format, linking it to the first law of thermodynamics and internal energy changes.
  • Another participant introduces an alternative approach by manipulating the equations involving pressure and volume to derive the work done expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the equivalence of the equations for work done in adiabatic processes, with some suggesting they are equivalent while others seek clarification on their validity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the familiarity and acceptance of the GRE equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific equations and relationships without fully resolving the assumptions or conditions under which these equations apply. The discussion includes various interpretations of the work done in adiabatic processes, highlighting potential dependencies on definitions and contexts.

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In an adiabatic process PVγ=constant

Now I thought the work done by an ideal gas in an adiabatic process was given by the equation here: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/adiab.html

But while doing a GRE question the answer was given as PfVf - PiVi / 1 - γ

Is this correct (it must be!)? And if so why haven't I seen this equation anywhere before?
 
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I think the two are equivalent. Reexpress the formula in the link using, for an adiabatic process, $$P_1 V_1^{\gamma} = P_2 V_2^{\gamma}$$
 
collectedsoul said:
In an adiabatic process PVγ=constant

Now I thought the work done by an ideal gas in an adiabatic process was given by the equation here: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/adiab.html

But while doing a GRE question the answer was given as PfVf - PiVi / 1 - γ

Is this correct (it must be!)? And if so why haven't I seen this equation anywhere before?

Did you mean that the GRE answer was W = (PfVf - PiVi) / (1 - γ) ?

Since it is a reversible adiabatic process (Q=0), the work done BY the gas has to be equal and opposite to its change in internal energy: W = - ΔU (first law).

For an ideal gas, ΔU = nCvΔT = nCv(γ-1)/(γ-1)ΔT = nRΔT/(γ-1) = Δ(PV)/(γ-1) = (PfVf - PiVi)/(γ-1).

AM
 
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Alternatively, $$P_i V_i^{\gamma} = P_f V_f^{\gamma} = K \Rightarrow KV_i^{1-\gamma} = P_iV_i\,\,\text{and}\,\,KV_f^{1-\gamma} = P_fV_f$$
Then sub in.
 

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