Work done by torque: wheel turning about a curb

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The discussion focuses on the work done by torque when a wheel turns about a curb. Participants clarify that the net work cannot equal zero with a constant force and emphasize the need to calculate the force required to lift the wheel over the curb. They suggest using the concept of torque equilibrium to find the necessary force and highlight the importance of understanding rotational kinetic energy as the wheel rises. Additionally, there is a correction regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between distance and angle during the wheel's movement. The conversation underscores the complexities of applying the Work-Kinetic Energy theorem and the relevance of virtual work in solving statics problems.
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work-kinetic energy theorem

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You've assumed that it is possible for Wnet to equal zero when F is constant. Try to see why this can't be true.

Can you figure out how much force is required to get the wheel to start to rise?
 
Further to TSny's hints...
You write that you have to solve it by the Work-KE theorem. I suspect you have misunderstood the requirement. As TSny writes, you have no guarantee that ##\Delta KE=0##.
You can solve statics problems using virtual work. Maybe that is what you are supposed to be using? But that method considers infinitesimal changes in position, not integrating over a substantial change.
 
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TSny said:
You've assumed that it is possible for Wnet to equal zero when F is constant. Try to see why this can't be true.

Can you figure out how much force is required to get the wheel to start to rise?
Ah, yes. Thank you. It would take a variable force to result in a final kinetic energy of 0. I know torque equilibrium yields the constant force required to offset the torque produced by gravity. Thank you again.
 
haruspex said:
Further to TSny's hints...
You write that you have to solve it by the Work-KE theorem. I suspect you have misunderstood the requirement. As TSny writes, you have no guarantee that ##\Delta KE=0##.
You can solve statics problems using virtual work. Maybe that is what you are supposed to be using? But that method considers infinitesimal changes in position, not integrating over a substantial change.
Right. Thank you. I need to find the rotational kinetic energy of the wheel once it rises to the top of the curb.
 
You assumed that ##ds=Rd\theta## but ##ds>0## and ##d\theta <0##. So it is wrong
If you assumed that ##ds=-Rd\theta## I think you will get answer
 
Isn't that angle = 30o ?
 
Hamal_Arietis said:
You assumed that ##ds=Rd\theta## but ##ds>0## and ##d\theta <0##. So it is wrong
If you assumed that ##ds=-Rd\theta## I think you will get answer
Taulant's error was to calculate a funny kind of average force (averaged over horizontal distance, which is not what is meant by "average force") necessary to provide the PE gain. Instead, the force to be found is the minimum constant force that will get it over the step. The next stage is to find the residual KE that results. That could be done by integration, but it is not necessary.
Monsterboy said:
Isn't that angle = 30o ?
Taulant set θ as the angle to the vertical, the 60o. That reduces as the wheel rises.
 
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