Deriving the hydrostatic equilibrium equation.

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The discussion focuses on deriving the minimum pressure of a star, expressed as P_{min} = \frac{GM^2}{8\pi R^4}, where M is the mass and R is the radius. The initial derivation incorrectly assumes mass is independent of radius, leading to an error in the constants. A correction involves recognizing that the mass enclosed by a spherical shell varies with radius and differentiating it accordingly. The correct equilibrium condition between gravitational and pressure forces ultimately leads to the accurate expression for core pressure. The final result confirms the relationship between mass, radius, and pressure in stellar structures.
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A question asks for me to show that the minimum pressure of a star is given by:
P_{min}=\frac{GM^2}{8\pi R^4}

where M and R are the mass and radius of the star.

My answer goes like this:
Gravitational force towards center = \frac{GM(r)\delta M(r)}{r^2}
Pressure force outwards = (P(r)-P(r+\delta r))\delta A = \delta P (r)\delta A
\delta M(r) = \delta A\delta r \rho (r)

In equilibrium Gravitational up + Pressure down = 0

:. \frac{GM(r) \delta A \delta r \rho (r)}{r^2} + \delta P (r)\deltaA = 0
\delta P(r) = - \frac{GM(r) \rho (r) \delta r}{r^2}
as \rho (r) = \frac{M(r)}{\frac{4}{3}\pi r^3}
:. \delta P(r) = \frac{-GM(r)M(r) \delta r}{\frac{4}{3} \pi r^5}

after reducing \delta to zero and integrating, I end up with:
P(r) = \frac{3G(M(r))^2}{16\pi r^4}

The minimum pressure will be when at r=R, so the variables will check out, but I still have incorrect constants. Can you spot anywhere I've gone wrong, or an incorrect assumption in this derivation?

Thanks guys
 
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I think this is it. Well I hope so anyway.
 
I am very sure that there's a coefficient of "3" missing in the expression for core pressure you're supposed to derive, please check the question.

You have the right concept, but your derivation assumes that m is independent of r. This is not correct. Assume a uniform density \rho

Then the mass m enclosed by a spherical shell of radius r measured from the core is given by :

m = \frac{4}{3}\pi \rho r^3 --(1)

Differentiate that (you'll see why in a minute)

dm = 4\pi \rho r^2 dr --(2)

The inward gravitational force at a point distance r from the core is given by :

F_G = \frac{Gmdm}{r^2} = \frac{16}{3}\pi^2 G \rho^2 r^3 dr

which you get by substituting (1) and (2). Note that use is made of the fact that the uniform spherical shell beyond r contributes nothing to the gravitational field at r, a well-known result that is not proved here.

You have a pressure p that decreases uniformly as you travel outward from the center. The nett outward pressure exerted on the spherical shell at distance r from the core is given by (-dp). The area of the spherical shell is simply 4\pi r^2

Hence the nett force outward due to pressure is given by

F_P = -Adp = -4\pi r^2 dp

For equilibrium, F_P = F_G giving

-4\pi r^2 dp = \frac{16}{3}\pi^2 G \rho^2 r^3 dr
dp = -\frac{4}{3}\pi G \rho^2 r dr

The pressure at the exterior of the star (radius R) will be zero, hence

\int_0^P dp = -\int_R^0 \frac{4}{3}\pi G \rho^2 r dr

which will yield

P = \frac{2}{3}\pi R^2 G \rho^2

since you know that M = \frac{4}{3}\pi R^3 \rho, do the algebra to get

P = \frac{3GM^2}{8\pi R^4}

which is the stellar pressure at the core.
 
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Thank you.
 
Brewer said:
Thank you.

You're welcome. :smile:
 
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