Solving a Trig Substitution Problem: Incorrect Solution

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The discussion revolves around finding an appropriate trigonometric substitution for the integral \(\int\frac{x}{\sqrt{-29-4x^2-24x}}\). The original poster explores different approaches to simplify the expression under the square root and considers various substitutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the form of the integral and whether to include \(x\) in the numerator or not. There are attempts to complete the square and suggestions for different trigonometric substitutions, including sine and hyperbolic cosine.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different substitution methods, with some expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches. There is a recognition of potential issues with the assumptions made regarding the substitutions, particularly in relation to the domain of the integrand.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the setup of the integral and the implications of the square root, as well as the conditions under which certain substitutions may lead to imaginary results.

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can someone help me find a appropriate trig sub for this problem:

\int\frac{x}{sqrt(-29-4x^2-24x)}

took out sqrt(4)...

sqrt(4)*sqrt(-29/4-x^2-6x)
(i also changed all the negative signs to positive)
complete the square...

sqrt(4)*sqrt((x+3)^2-7/4)

so my trig sub should be sqrt(7/4)*sec(t)-3, but it's incorrect
 
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can someone help me find a appropriate trig sub for this problem:

\int\frac{x}{sqrt(-29-4x^2-24x)}


Is it \int\frac{xdx}{sqrt(-29-4x^2-24x)} or

\int\frac{dx}{sqrt(-29-4x^2-24x)}?

so my trig sub should be sqrt(7/4)*sec(t)-3, but it's incorrect



Try x=\sqrt{7/4}*\sin(t)-3

ehild
 
It doesn't work with "sin",but it works with \cosh t...

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
It doesn't work with "sin",but it works with \cosh t...

Daniel.


-29-4x^2-24x = 7-(2x+6)^2=7(1-(\frac{2x+6}{7})^2)
If (2x+6)/\sqrt{7} \le 1 then it can be substituted either by sin(t) or cos(t). In the opposite case, the integrand is imaginary and your substitution is OK.

ehild
 
I don't mean to be picky,but you left out a square root sign...:wink:

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
I don't mean to be picky,but you left out a square root sign...:wink:

Daniel.

Oppps, really, you are right... :blushing:

ehild
 

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