Lagrange Definition and 510 Threads

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    Lagrange multiplier no solution or incorrect formulation

    1. The problem statement I'm stuck with this problem which does not yield a solution. I feel as if I'm not formulating it correctly. Here it is described below. I've also written down the equations as they're easier to be read (attachment) This is something that I was doing with batteries and...
  2. Quarlep

    The Path Inetgral and Classical Lagrange

    I know that The path Integral becames classical Lagrange (Classic Mechanics) how can it be turn it.
  3. P

    Euler-Lagrange Equation of $$ds^2=-f(x)dt^2+g(x)dx^2+2l(x)dxdt$$

    If metric is $$ds^2 = -f(x)dt^2 + g(x)dx^2 + 2l(x)dxdt $$ Then we have this Lagrangian: $$L= \frac{1}{2}(-f(x)\dot{t}^2 + g(x)\dot{x}^2 + 2l(x)\dot{x}\dot{t}).$$ The Euler-Lagrange equation for $$t$$ is: since $$t$$ is not there in the Lagrangian then $$\partial L/ \partial t=0$$ This implies...
  4. P

    Acceleration, Uniform Ball on Incline

    Homework Statement [/B] A uniform solid ball of mass m rolls without slipping down a right angled wedge of mass M and angle θ from the horizontal, which itself can slide without friction on a horizontal floor. Find the acceleration of the ball relative to the wedge. 2. The attempt at a...
  5. C

    MHB Solving Lagrange Multipliers: Find Extrema of Distance from (1,2,3) to Sphere

    Hello, I am having a bit of trouble with the Lagrange multiplier method. My question is: Use the Lagrange multiplier method to find the extrema points of the distance from the point (1,2,3) to the surface of the sphere {x}^{2}+{y}^{2}+{z}^{2}=4. Find the possible values for of \lambda. This...
  6. grandpa2390

    The kinetic energy formula for lagrange doesnt make sense

    Homework Statement This is a real basic question I am sure. Maybe I just missed something. so in the book, t = the kinetic energy . only for a pendulum, they add kinetic energy of x dot squared, plus kinetic energy of y dot squared. Homework Equations T = 1/2 m v^2 a^2 + b^2 = c^2 The Attempt...
  7. Quarlep

    Lagrange and program to calculate trajectory

    I am curios about trajectory programs (but not weather) the real particle movements.If you know How can I get it (but free) I will be happy Thanks
  8. Quarlep

    How does Lagrange Mechanics work in coordinate space?

    I want to know lagrange mechanics work in phase space or in coordinate system.Leonard Susskind talked about the least action and he said If we know two point we can define trajectory but I don't know the diagram that he drow its a phase space or coordinate system (x,y,z,t) 19 min or...
  9. S

    Lagrange mechanics: Pendulum attached to a massless support

    Homework Statement A simple pendulum of length ##b## and bob with mass ##m## is attached to a massless support moving vertically upward with constant acceleration ##a##. Determine (a) the equations of motion and (b) the period for small oscillations. 2. Formulas ##U = mgh## ##T = (1/2)mv^2...
  10. S

    Lagrange Points Calculation Work

    (Sorry text is hard to read, please see attached document for an easier read) I am having trouble with #6, I'm not sure if what I have going on is entirely correct. Also #7 is a little confusing. Problem Statement & work done: For an object in orbit around a second, there are five LaGrange...
  11. P

    Lagrange multipliers open constraint

    Homework Statement Find the maximum and minimum values of the function f(x, y) =49 − x^2 − y^2 subject to the constraint x + 3y = 10. The Attempt at a Solution ∇f = <2x,2y> ∇g = <1,3> ∇f =λ∇g 2x = λ 2y = 3λ 2x = 2y/3 x = y/3 y/3 + 3y = 10 y = 3 x = 1 f(1,3) = 39 Now that is the only...
  12. Y

    Finding Maxima, Minima, and Saddle Points with Lagrange Multipliers

    I'm currently having some trouble, after the procedure of finding the actual values for the multipliers and the points, but how come can I figure out whether which points that I've collected are maxima, minima or just saddle ones. I've taken a look on lots of books, but I can't seem to find...
  13. T

    Lagrange multiplier systems of equations -- Help please

    Homework Statement Hi guys I am new here and i really need help with this question. I've tried it multiple times but can't find all the critical points, help would be greatly appreciated. the question is as follows: Find the maximum and minimum values of w=4x-(1/2)y+(27/2)z on the surface...
  14. D

    Variation of Lagrange Density under field transformation

    Homework Statement Hey guys! So I have a Lagrangian with two coupled fields like so: \mathcal{L} = \frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi_{1})(\partial^{\mu}\phi_{1})...
  15. N

    Simple pendulum equation of motion

    Hi! I've been trying to find the equation of motion for the simple pendulum using x as the generalized coordinate (instead of the angle), but I haven't been able to get the right solution... Homework Statement The data is as usual, mass m, length l and gravity g. The X,Y axes origin can be...
  16. GFauxPas

    Lagrange Multipliers and Shadow Prices

    This is a homework in mathematical modeling and optimization; we're up to Lagrange multipliers and shadow prices. 1. Homework Statement A manufacturer of PCs currently sells 10,000 units per month of a basic model. The cost of manufacture is 700$/unit, and the wholesale price is $950. The cost...
  17. S

    Lagrange Point and orbital velocity

    When considering the Lagrange point 1 in the Sun/Earth system, Does Lagrange Point 1 have any orbital velocity around Earth? I suspect a body at L1 has no orbital velocity around earth. But consider the Earth's position 6months later when it is opposite the sun. The Lagrange point would also...
  18. F

    Lagrange multipliers: How do I know if its a max of min

    in the problem f(x,y)=x^2+y^2 and xy=1, I get 2 as a local extrema and it is a min in the problem f(x1,x2...xn) = x1+x2..+xn (x1)^2+...(xn)^2=1 I get sqrt(n) and its a max. How do I know if these are max or min values? If I get more than two extrema, I just compare them and one's a max and the...
  19. D

    Euler Lagrange equations with viscous dissipation

    Homework Statement The system can pivot at point O and I am taking small angle approximations. I am trying to determine the Lagrangian, ##\mathcal{L} = T - U## for the following system: Homework Equations E-L equation with dissipation: ##\frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial q_i} -...
  20. kq6up

    Lagrange EQ for a Double Atwood Machine

    Homework Statement 7.27 ** Consider a double Atwood machine constructed as follows: A mass 4m is suspended from a string that passes over a massless pulley on frictionless bearings. The other end of this string supports a second similar pulley, over which passes a second string supporting a...
  21. P

    Equations of Motion Using Lagrange?

    Hi, my professor asked me to proove the equations of motion of a problem. The equations that I need to find are in page 2 of the file https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxOdCfkh6FqpUlY5TktpbDZTc2M/edit , equations 7 and 8. But, I'm having trouble with the exercise. I uploaded my attemps...
  22. J

    Word problem using lagrange multiplier

    Homework Statement The Baraboo, Wisconsin plant of International Widget Co. uses aluminum, iron and magnesium to produce high-quality widgets. The quantity of widgets which may be produced using x tonnes of aluminum, y tonnes of iron and z tonnes of magnesium is Q(x,y,z) = xyz. the cost of raw...
  23. J

    Solving a system in five unknowns for lagrange multiplier

    Homework Statement I have to find the extrema of a given function with two constraints f(x,y,z) = x+y+z;x^2-y^2=1;2x+z=1 The Attempt at a Solution If I create a new function F then I have F(x,y,z,\lambda,\mu)=x+y+z-(x^2\lambda - y^2\lambda -\lambda) -(2x\mu + z\mu -...
  24. A

    Lagrange Multipliers with Multiple Constraints?

    Homework Statement Using Lagrange multipliers, find the max and the min values of f: f(x,y,z) = x^2 +2y^2+3x^2 Constraints: x + y + z =1 x - y + 2z = 2Homework Equations ∇f(x) = λ∇g(x) + μ∇h(x)The Attempt at a Solution Using Lagrange multipliers, I obtained the equations: 2x = λ + μ 4y =...
  25. N

    The Lagrange Mesh Method: An Overview

    What is the Lagrange Mesh method?
  26. O

    MHB Using dihedral group in Lagrange theorem

    i was given that D4=[e,c,c2,c3,d,cd,c2d,c3d] therfore D4=<c,d> is the subgroup of itself generated by c,d then they defined properties of D4 as follows ord(c)=d, ord(d)=2, dc=c-1d i am strugging to understand how they got that c4=e=d2
  27. O

    MHB Proving Lagrange Theorem for Finite Group G

    given that G is a finite group. 1) if H is a subgroup of G then |H| divides |G| 2) if a in G the ord(a)/|G| i could prove no 2 using no 1 where i said ord(a)=|<a>| and <a> is a subgroub of G so by 1 ord(a)/|G|how cAN I prove 1
  28. Feodalherren

    Lagrange multipliers (yes, again)

    Homework Statement f=xy^2 C: x^2 + y^2 = 3 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I don't understand how he can say that x=0 is a solution in this one. Looking at the contours, there are no solutions for f if x=0.
  29. J

    Lagrangian mechanics, Lagrange multiplier.

    Homework Statement I've thought of a problem to help me with Lagrange multipliers but have got stuck. Consider a particle of mass m moving on a surface described by the curve y = x2, the particle is released from rest at t = 0 and a position x = l. I'm trying to work out the EOM's but have...
  30. Feodalherren

    Lagrange multipliers to find max/min

    Homework Statement Use Lagrange Multipliers to find the minimum value of f(x,y)=x^{2}+(y-1)^{2} that lie on the hyperbola x^{2}-y^{2}=1. Draw a picture to verify your final answer. Homework Equations \nabla f=\lambda \nabla C The Attempt at a Solution So I can find the critical...
  31. B

    Points of Convergence for Lagrange Remainder Theorem

    Homework Statement At what points ##x## in the interval ##(-1,1]## can one use the Lagrange Remainder Theorem to verify the expansion ##ln(1+x)=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{k+1}{\frac{x^k}{k!}}##Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution Now I know that ##ln(1+x)=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}...
  32. H

    Proof of Lagrange inversion theorem

    Hi I am unable to find the proof of the Lagrange inversion formula as given in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_inversion_theorem#Theorem_statement I have searched all over the internet as well as the original paper published by Lagrange. Still could not find it. Any help would be...
  33. A

    Problem - Lagrange function for mass on springs attached on a frame

    Hello! I have a problem in classical mechanics that I'm unable to solve. Any help would be much appreciated since we have a partial exam tomorrow. :( Homework Statement There's a picture of the problem in the attachment A mass m, which is on a light rod (lenght d), is attached to a...
  34. skate_nerd

    MHB Euler Lagrange equation of motion

    I have a system with one generalized coordinate, x. In the potential energy part of the lagrangian, I have some constants multiplied by the absolute value of x. That is the only x dependence the lagrangian has, so when I take the partial derivative of the lagrangian with respect to x (to get the...
  35. W

    Finding the Lagrange equations of motion for 2 sliding blocks

    Homework Statement The first block with mass m_1 slides without friction on a wedge which has an incline of angle \alpha. The wedged shaped block has a mass m_2 . The second block is also allowed to slide on a flat frictionless line. Find Lagrange's equations of motion. Homework...
  36. M

    Lagrange qustion, a partilcle confined to a spherical cone

    Homework Statement A particle is confined to move on the surface of a circular cone with its axis on the vertical z axis, vertex at origin (pointing down), and half-angle α(alpha) a) write down the lagrangian in terms of spherical coordinates r and ø (phi) Homework Equations...
  37. M

    How Do You Solve a Lagrange Multiplier Problem with a Circle Constraint?

    Homework Statement Find the extrema of f(x, y) = x2−2xy+ 2y2, subject to the constraint x2 +y2 = 1.Homework Equations ∇f(x,y) = λg(x,y)The Attempt at a Solution This is the work I have thus far: Letting g(x,y) = x2+y2-1, We obtain the following three equations from the Lagrange Multiplier...
  38. MarkFL

    MHB Kunal's question at Yahoo Answers regarding Lagrange multipliers

    Here is the question: I have posted a link there to this thread so the OP can view my work.
  39. R

    Using Lagrange to solve rotating parabolic motion and equilibrium

    Homework Statement Consider a bead of mass m sliding without friction on a wire that is bent in the shape of a parabola and is being spun with constant angular velocity w about its vertical axis. Use cylindrical polar coordinates and let the equation of the parabola be z = kp2. Write down the...
  40. MarkFL

    MHB Holly's questions at Yahoo Answers regarding Lagrange multipliers

    Here are the questions: I have posted a link there to this thread so the OP can view my work.
  41. M

    MHB Maximum error for the Lagrange interpolating polynomials

    Hey :o ! Could you help me at the following exercise? $k, n \in \mathbb{N}$ $f(x)=cos(k \pi x), x \in [0,1]$ $x_i=ih, i=0,1,2,...,n, h=\frac{1}{n}$ Let $p \in \mathbb{P}_n$ the Lagrange interpolating polynomials of $f$ at the points $x_i$. Calculate an upper bound of the maximum error...
  42. E

    Classical Optics / Lagrange multipliers

    Homework Statement A ray of light enters a glass block of refractive index n and thickness d with angle of incidence θ1. Part of the ray refracts at some angle θ2 such that Snell's law is obeyed, and the rest undergoes specular reflection. The refracted ray reflects off the bottom of the block...
  43. carllacan

    Problem with Lagrange first kind equations

    Homework Statement Two masses move in a plane restricted to concentric circles with radii R1 and R2. They are joined by a solid rod of length B. Use Lagrange first order equations to find the equilibrium point Homework Equations Constraint due to the solid bar: B = R12 + R22 -2R1R2cos(θ1...
  44. bigfooted

    Intersection of straight line with (lagrange) polynomial

    Hi, To calculate the intersection of two straight lines the cross product of the line vectors can be used, i.e. when the lines start in points p and q, and have direction vectors r and s, then if the cross product r x s is nonzero, the intersection point is q+us, and can be found from...
  45. J

    Find Max/Min of f(x,y) w/ Lagrange Multipliers

    Homework Statement Lagrange multipliers to find the maximum and minimum values of f(x,y) = 4x^3 + y^2 subject to the constraint 2x^2 + y^2 = 1. Find points of these extremum. Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution g(x,y)= 2x^2 + y^2 - 1 f(x,y)= 4x^3 + y^2 Gradient F=...
  46. MarkFL

    MHB Solve Box Cost Minimization w/ Lagrange Multipliers

    Here is the question: I have posted a link there to this topic so the OP can view my work.
  47. H

    Variational calculus Euler lagrange Equation

    I am trying to understand an example from my textbook "applied finite element analysis" and in the variational calculus, Euler lagrange equation example I can't seem to understand the following derivation in one of its examples ∫((dT/dx)(d(δT)/dx))dx= ∫((dT/dx)δ(dT/dx))dx= ∫((1/2)δ(dT/dx)^2)dx...
  48. D

    Maximizing Distance from Point on Sphere (1,1,-1): Lagrange Multipliers Method

    I'm stuck on this problem for the past hour. I've tried solving for all variables and none of the steps I'm doing are getting me to the right answer. Find the point on sphere x^2+y^2+z^2=25 farthest from point (1,1,-1). My steps: http://i.imgur.com/c5kUj9g.png Correct Answer: x=...
  49. R

    Lagrange Mechanics Homework: 2 DoF, Eqns of Motion, Constants

    Homework Statement A particle of mass m moves over the cylindrical surface of radius R. The particle is connected to the origin O, located on the central point of the cylindrical surface axis, by a spring with spring constant k and length R. Ignore force of gravity. a) State how many...
  50. M

    Maximizing volume of a box without lagrange multipliers

    Homework Statement Show that the largest rectangular box having a fixed surface area must be a cube. Homework Equations ##V(x,y,z) = xyz## ##\sigma(x,y,z) = 2(xy + yz + zx) = C \in \mathbf{R}## The Attempt at a Solution As of this assignment, we haven't yet learned Lagrange...
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