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There are a handful of codes out there that you can find in the public domain (though you'd likely have to manually transcribe them from old technical reports and papers into FORTRAN77 code. Otherwise, if you wanted to start from scratch, there are two references I can think of [1][2], both of which come in two volumes and have the 2D discussion in volume 1 and 3D discussion in volume 2.

While I don't work at a rocket company, it is my understanding that the method of characteristics is still the standard tool used to specify a supersonic nozzle contour. You would then need some kind of viscous correction. The method used in designing supersonic wind tunnels varies a little bit, but would look something like running MoC to get a contour, solving the boundary layer, and using the resulting displacement thickness to modify the contour to account for the boundary layers. You can iterate that process as well if desired. A rocket contour is similar, though the iteration is likely not as useful since wind tunnels need to be a lot more uniform in their exit flow than a rocket nozzle, which would be much more concerned with system weight.

[1] Shapiro, A. H. 1954.

[2] Zucrow, M. J., Hoffman, J. D. 1977.

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And that's very interesting, I was wondering how the boundary layer would be dealt with but simply modifying the contour based on the boundary layer thickness certainly makes sense.

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I'm pretty sure one can model a circular cross-section in 2D. 2D assumes azimuthal symmetry, where the central element(s) would be circular wedges and other elements annular sections.Well, for one, the 2D version is only going to give you a proper contour for a 2D planar nozzle, i.e. one with a rectangular cross-section.

About 35 years ago, I used a code from Marshall Space Flight Center, a fully coupled finite-rate chemistry simulation code, RAMP (Reacting And Multiphase Program), which uses Method of Characteristics, with another code, BLIMPJ (Boundary Layer Integral Matrix Program – Jet Version). We were modeling typical nozzles with circular cross-sections. 2D codes were used when there were significant memory (and bit) limitations in both storage and computational systems.

As far as I know, the are still used, and have been used with variable and constant specific heat ratio frozen flow simulations. Variations in turbulence models, temperature boundary conditions and thermodynamic properties of the plume have been investigated.

I believe the codes can be obtained from NASA Marshall subject to the usual restrictions.

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I'm pretty sure one can model a circular cross-section in 2D. 2D assumes azimuthal symmetry, where the central element(s) would be circular wedges and other elements annular sections.

About 35 years ago, I used a code from Marshall Space Flight Center, a fully coupled finite-rate chemistry simulation code, RAMP (Reacting And Multiphase Program), which uses Method of Characteristics, with another code, BLIMPJ (Boundary Layer Integral Matrix Program – Jet Version). We were modeling typical nozzles with circular cross-sections. 2D codes were used when there were significant memory (and bit) limitations in both storage and computational systems.

When discussing the method of characteristics as it pertains to nozzle design (and in aerodynamics more generally), 2D typically refers to "2D planar" and the cases with azimuthal symmetry are specifically termed "axisymmetric" to avoid conflation of the two. The distinction is important since the equations are different and they do not produce the same answer despite the fact that an axisymmetric set of equations are technically still two-dimensional.I believe the codes can be obtained from NASA Marshall subject to the usual restrictions.

RAMP is still used (not sure about BLIMP), but is not something that is available through the NASA software service (a lot of aero codes are if you are a US Citizen with a legitimate purpose). I did find the program manual for RAMP2, however, which indicates pretty clearly that it has a logical switch to toggle between 2D and axisymmetric cases within the code. So yes, RAMP can handle both, but it solves a slightly different set of equations depending on whether the flow is 2D planar or axisymmetric.

They are definitely still in use, though I am sure have undergone substantial changes over the years. How much longer that will be the case, who knows. They're probably written in FORTRAN77 (or earlier) and there are increasingly few people who know how to write or maintain FORTRAN code.As far as I know, the are still used, and have been used with variable and constant specific heat ratio frozen flow simulations. Variations in turbulence models, temperature boundary conditions and thermodynamic properties of the plume have been investigated.

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