A cuboid on an inclined plane - based on an Olympiad problem

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The problem involves a cuboid placed on an inclined plane, where it rotates around a specific edge without sliding. The scenario is based on a problem from the 58th Polish Olympiad in Physics, focusing on the dynamics of the cuboid's motion and the derivation of its acceleration components.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of the acceleration components of the cuboid's center of mass, questioning the correctness of initial expressions and exploring the relationship between angular acceleration and linear acceleration.

Discussion Status

Some participants have pointed out potential sign errors in the expressions for acceleration. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to calculate the acceleration using vector relationships, with suggestions to avoid using rotated axes for clarity.

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There are indications of missing information regarding the setup and assumptions about the cuboid's motion. The discussion references specific properties of the cuboid and its dimensions, which may influence the calculations but are not fully detailed in the posts.

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Homework Statement


Let's suppose we have a [cuboid](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuboid) of dimensions ##a \times b \times c##. We put it on an inclined plane of an angle ##\alpha## so that only one edge of length ##c ## touches the plane. In time ##t = 0 ## the cuboid doesn't rotate. Let the line containing the edge be ##k ##. Let the edges of length ##a ## be vertical and the ones of length b - vertical.
A link to the picture is in post #1. (for the time being awaiting for mod approval)

Let the cuboid rotate around the line ##k ## with angular acceleration ##\varepsilon ## without sliding.

(Corrected the latex stuff)
(Based on a problem from the 58th Polish Olympiad in Physics.)

Homework Equations


Now it is suggested that if ##a_x ## is the acceleration of the mass center parallel to the inclined plane and ##a_y ## perpendicular to the plane, then
$$a_x = \varepsilon\left(\frac b2 \sin \alpha+ \frac a2 \cos \alpha \right)$$
$$a_y = \varepsilon\left(\frac b2 \cos \alpha+ \frac a2 \sin \alpha \right)$$

How can we derive it?

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried it a long time ago, using the property ##a = \varepsilon r ##
$$a_x = a \cos\alpha = \varepsilon r \cos\alpha $$
but from here not much success.
 
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To all: 58th Olympiad was in the 2008, so this discussion is OK.
 
You seem to have a sign error somewhere. If you calculate ##a_x^2+a_y^2## from your expressions, the result depends on ##\alpha##, but the magnitude of the acceleration should only depend on the shape of the block.

Try using ##\vec{a} = \vec{\varepsilon} \times \vec{r}## to calculate the acceleration of the center of mass. I wouldn't use the rotated axes to do this calculation. Then to get the component parallel and perpendicular to the incline, calculate the dot product of ##\vec{a}## with the appropriate unit vectors.
 
Of course, I made a sign mistake,

it should be
$$
a_y = \varepsilon\left(\frac b2 \cos \alpha- \frac a2 \sin \alpha \right)
$$
 
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Well, I've finally got it. It's so easy that I don't know how I could've missed it :P
It's correct, isn't it?
 

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