About the constraint equations of a pulley

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The discussion revolves around the constraint equations related to a pulley system, specifically focusing on the relationship between the displacements of two masses, A and B. Participants are examining the implications of these relationships in the context of mechanics and the effects of friction.

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  • Some participants question the validity of the equation S(A) = 2S(B) and discuss the implications of integrating velocities. Others propose deriving relationships between displacements based on given equations and boundary conditions.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering clarifications and alternative perspectives on the relationships between the variables involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding boundary conditions, while others express uncertainty about the established relations.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the mechanical advantage of the pulley system and the impact of friction on the equations being discussed. There is mention of external resources for further reference, indicating a search for validation of concepts.

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See the solved example as shown in the image. I don't understand how can we write S(A)=2S(B) since integrating V(A)=2V(B) will give us an extra unknown constant and the work done by friction will depend on it.
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Work-Energy theorem & constraint equations.
See the solved example as shown in the image. I don't understand how can we write S(A)=2S(B) since integrating V(A)=2V(B) will give us an extra unknown constant and the work done by friction will depend on it. I found the relation 2S(B) + S(A) = const. (somebody confirm if this is right?) so isn't it technically wrong to say that S(A)=2S(B)?
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##S_A## and ##S_B## are displacements of the masses. ##x_1## and ##x_4## are positions of the masses.
In particular, ##S_A = -\Delta x_4## and ##S_B = \Delta x_1##.

From your equation ##2x_1+x_4 = \rm const##, derive a relation between ##\Delta x_1## and ##\Delta x_4##.
 
"I don't understand how can we write S(A)=2S(B) since integrating V(A)=2V(B) will give us an extra unknown constant "
No it won't. You have an obvious boundary condition that , when V(A)=0 , then V(B)=0.
 
@TSny, thank you very much for clarifying!
 
nish95 said:
I don't understand how can we write S(A)=2S(B)
The pulley to which mass B is attached, works as a lever.
Imagine the fulcrum of that lever located at the point where the right-hand vertical section of rope meets the pulley, the left-hand section of vertical rope lifting the weight B, which is located exactly midway between those two vertical sections of rope.
The mechanical advantage of such lever is 2.
The old "golden rule" of mechanics states that whatever you gain in force you lose in displacement.

Please, see:
http://www.technologystudent.com/gears1/pulley9.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_advantage#Block_and_tackle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_machine#Ideal_simple_machine

I believe that the relations you have established among the different Xs are incorrect, except the one that shows that the total length of the rope ##(X_2+X_3+X_4)## remains constant.
 

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