Algebraic Manipulation of Equations

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The discussion revolves around algebraic manipulation of equations related to forces and torques in a pulley system involving a hanging mass. The original poster is attempting to combine two equations to find the acceleration of the object but is encountering difficulties in arriving at the correct solution.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the equations for tension and torque but questions where their reasoning may have gone wrong. Some participants suggest checking for sign errors and simplifying the equations differently. Others provide alternative approaches to isolate the variable of interest.

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Participants are actively engaging in the discussion, providing feedback on algebraic steps and suggesting alternative methods for solving the problem. There is a recognition of a correct approach offered by one participant, which has been acknowledged positively by the original poster.

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The original poster is working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the types of guidance they can receive. There is an emphasis on ensuring all terms are correctly accounted for in the algebraic manipulations.

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Homework Statement


I have two equations. The first is for all of the forces on a hanging mass from a pulley. The second is for the sum of the torques about the pulley from which the mass hangs. I simply have to combine the equations to find the acceleration of the object. I have attempted every algebraic manipulation I can think of and keep coming out with the wrong answer. Please help.

Homework Equations


T-mg=ma (for the sum of forces on the hanging mass)
Tr=I(-a/r) (for the torques about the pulley)

Here, T is tension, m is the mass of the hanging object, a is the acceleration, r is the radius of the pulley, I is the moment of inertia of the pulley.

I'm supposed to combine the two equations to eliminate T and solve for a.

The Attempt at a Solution


OK, solve equation 1 for T.

T = ma + mg

Cool, now plug into equation 2.

(ma+mg)r=I(-a/r)
mr(a+g)=I(-a/r)
a+g=I(-a/mr^2)
1+g/a=I/mr^2
g/a=-I/mr^2-1
a = -(gmr^2)/(I)-g

I keep coming out with the same exact solution every time, but it is apparently wrong. Can someone tell me where I went wrong?
 
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About line 3 and 4...

a+g=I(-a/mr^2)
1+g/a=I/mr^2

I think you mislaid a minus sign there.
But you are also going about it the long way.
When you had:

(ma+mg)r=I(-a/r)

That simplifies to ##mr^2a+mr^2g = -Ia##
...now get all terms involving "a" on the LHS and put everything else of the RHS.
 
a(mr2 I) = -mgr2

a = -(mgr2)/(mr2+I)

Thank you, that's correct. I could cry tears of joy.
 
No worries - for the future, it is often useful to try getting rid of all the denominators so you can write the equation out on one line.
Makes the equations easier to type too.
After that it's just a matter of grouping the term you want to solve for on one side.
 

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