Algebraic Manipulation of Equations

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The discussion revolves around combining two equations to find the acceleration of a mass hanging from a pulley. The user initially struggles with algebraic manipulation, repeatedly arriving at an incorrect solution. After some guidance, it is clarified that simplifying the equation earlier can lead to a more straightforward solution. The correct approach involves rearranging terms to isolate acceleration on one side of the equation. The conversation emphasizes the importance of eliminating denominators for clarity in future calculations.
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Homework Statement


I have two equations. The first is for all of the forces on a hanging mass from a pulley. The second is for the sum of the torques about the pulley from which the mass hangs. I simply have to combine the equations to find the acceleration of the object. I have attempted every algebraic manipulation I can think of and keep coming out with the wrong answer. Please help.

Homework Equations


T-mg=ma (for the sum of forces on the hanging mass)
Tr=I(-a/r) (for the torques about the pulley)

Here, T is tension, m is the mass of the hanging object, a is the acceleration, r is the radius of the pulley, I is the moment of inertia of the pulley.

I'm supposed to combine the two equations to eliminate T and solve for a.

The Attempt at a Solution


OK, solve equation 1 for T.

T = ma + mg

Cool, now plug into equation 2.

(ma+mg)r=I(-a/r)
mr(a+g)=I(-a/r)
a+g=I(-a/mr^2)
1+g/a=I/mr^2
g/a=-I/mr^2-1
a = -(gmr^2)/(I)-g

I keep coming out with the same exact solution every time, but it is apparently wrong. Can someone tell me where I went wrong?
 
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About line 3 and 4...

a+g=I(-a/mr^2)
1+g/a=I/mr^2

I think you mislaid a minus sign there.
But you are also going about it the long way.
When you had:

(ma+mg)r=I(-a/r)

That simplifies to ##mr^2a+mr^2g = -Ia##
...now get all terms involving "a" on the LHS and put everything else of the RHS.
 
a(mr2 I) = -mgr2

a = -(mgr2)/(mr2+I)

Thank you, that's correct. I could cry tears of joy.
 
No worries - for the future, it is often useful to try getting rid of all the denominators so you can write the equation out on one line.
Makes the equations easier to type too.
After that it's just a matter of grouping the term you want to solve for on one side.
 
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