Analyzing First Order Transient Circuits Using Differential Equations

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a first-order transient circuit using differential equations, specifically focusing on the voltage across a capacitor before and after a switch is thrown.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) to derive a differential equation for the circuit. There are attempts to solve the equation using methods such as the integrating factor and substitution of assumed solution forms. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the derived equations and the initial conditions.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring different forms of the differential equation and suggesting methods for solving it. There is a recognition of potential errors in the reduction of the equations, and multiple interpretations of the circuit behavior are being examined. Guidance has been offered on how to approach the solution without reaching a consensus on the final answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants note concerns about the accuracy of the derived equations and the assumptions made regarding the circuit components. There is also mention of the need to verify results through different methods, such as DC analysis.

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Please click the image to make it larger:
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2049/82009866sy5.th.jpg

To solve this circuit I'm going to use the differential equation approach. I'm concerned with the voltage across the capacitor at V_c(0^-) and V_c(0^+)


At position 1 before the switch is thrown V_c(0^-)=0

At position 2 after switch is thrown I have the following from KCL:

\frac{6-V(t)}{12k} = C\frac{dv}{dt} + \frac{V(t)}{6k}

This reduces to: \frac{dv}{dt} + 2.5V(t) = 5

My problem is that I know that this is correct but I don't know how to put it all together.

I know that the solution is of the form:

K_1 +K_2e^{-t/t_c}

The answer is V(t)=1.33 -1.33e^{-2.5t}V

How do I extract this from my work?:smile:
 
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Wow, I thought someone would understand this :cry:
 
RadiationX said:
Please click the image to make it larger:
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2049/82009866sy5.th.jpg

To solve this circuit I'm going to use the differential equation approach. I'm concerned with the voltage across the capacitor at V_c(0^-) and V_c(0^+)


At position 1 before the switch is thrown V_c(0^-)=0

At position 2 after switch is thrown I have the following from KCL:

\frac{6-V(t)}{12k} = C\frac{dv}{dt} + \frac{V(t)}{6k}

This reduces to: \frac{dv}{dt} + 2.5V(t) = 5

My problem is that I know that this is correct but I don't know how to put it all together.

I know that the solution is of the form:

K_1 +K_2e^{-t/t_c}

The answer is V(t)=1.33 -1.33e^{-2.5t}V

How do I extract this from my work?:smile:

Assuming that you have got the diff eqn correct (I can't see your image so can't check), then you need to either solve this by Integrating factor method or sub in the form
K_1 +K_2e^{-t/t_c}
into your equation and then solve for K1, K2 and t_c. You will find that it a polynomial in e^{-t/t_c}, equating coefficient of e^{-t/t_c} on both sides you get relation for K1 and t_c, and then use your initial condition to fix K2.

i have got a feeling that
\frac{dv}{dt} + 2.5V(t) = 5

RHS may be wrong
 
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I think you made a reduction error because you have the KCL equation correct.

I get the same KCL, but mine reduced to:
6 = 3v_c(t) + 1.2 \frac{dv_c(t)}{dt}

This is simply a differential equation that you need to solve for like any other diff eq would go. First find the homogeneous solution
0 = 3v_c(t) + 1.2 \frac{dv_c(t)}{dt}
with separation of variables and then find the particular solution
6 = 3v_c(t) + 1.2 \frac{dv_c(t)}{dt}
with a judicious guess. Add the two for your overall solution.
 
Actually I see that my answer doesn't agree with the answer given to you, but I am pretty sure that mine is right because as a quick check you can look at the circuit given to you and for DC values replace capacitors with open circuits and inductors with short circuits.

The DC solution (which happens to correspond with the particular solution because the DC source is driving the circuit) I get is the same through the Diff Eq. and the DC reduction method. Maybe you can verify this.
 

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