Are the Fresnel coefficients equal for E and B fields?

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The discussion revolves around the Fresnel coefficients for electromagnetic waves at the interface of two dielectric media, specifically focusing on the differences in coefficients for electric and magnetic fields in TE polarization. The original poster presents equations derived from Maxwell's equations and questions the validity of their results when expressed in terms of the magnetic field.

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  • Participants explore the derivation of Fresnel coefficients, questioning the relationship between electric and magnetic fields. Some suggest using the Poynting vector for analysis, while others express confusion over the notation used for coefficients.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made in the original poster's derivations. There is a recognition of differing interpretations regarding the notation of coefficients, and some participants are considering the implications of their findings.

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There is mention of assumptions such as the permeability being equal to one, and the potential confusion arising from the use of capital letters for coefficients versus their amplitude counterparts.

Gabriel Maia
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From the Maxwell Equations we know that there are four boundary conditions for an electromagnetic wave crossing an interface between two dielectric media. For the TE polarisation state, these conditions give us that

E_{i} + E_{r} = E_{t}

B_{i}\,\cos\theta_{i} - B_{r}\,\cos\theta_{r} = B_{t}\,\cos\theta_{t}

where E and B are the components parallel to the interface of the electric and the magnetic fields, respectively. The indices i, r and t are associated with the incoming, the reflected and the transmitted waves, being then \theta_{i} the angle of incidence, \theta_{r}=\theta_{i} the angle of reflection and \theta_{t} the angle of transmission.

Now, knowing that B=n\,E/c and that E_{r}/E_{i} = R and E_{t}/E_{i} = T we have the set of equations

1 + R = T

1 - R = \frac{\displaystyle n_{2}\,\cos\theta_{t}}{\displaystyle n_{1}\,\cos\theta_{i}}\,T

Solving these equations, we will arrive at the known Fresnel coefficients for the TE polarisation:

T = \frac{\displaystyle 2\,n_{1} \cos\theta_{i}}{\displaystyle n_{1}\,\cos\theta_{i}+n_{2}\,\cos\theta_{t}}

R = \frac{\displaystyle n_{1}\,\cos\theta_{i}-n_{2}\,\cos\theta_{t}}{\displaystyle n_{1}\,\cos\theta_{i}+n_{2}\,\cos\theta_{t}}

The problem is that, if I write the equations in terms of the magnetic field, that is, if I use that E=c\,B/n, the transmission coefficient becomes different:

T = \frac{\displaystyle 2\,n_{2} \cos\theta_{i}}{\displaystyle n_{1}\,\cos\theta_{i}+n_{2}\,\cos\theta_{t}}Is this correct? I could not find a mistake in my derivations so I am inclined to believe it is indeed correct, but if it is so, why do we always talk about the Fresnel coefficients of the Electric field?

Thank you very much.
 
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Gabriel Maia said:
E_{t}/E_{i} = T

Are you sure about this?
I would calculate the transmission comparing the Poynting vector of the incident and the transmitted light. Assuming ##\mu=1##,
##E_tB_T/(E_iB_i)=T## or ##n_2E_t^2/n_1E_i^2## and a similar equation for R.
 
DrDu said:
Are you sure about this?
I would calculate the transmission comparing the Poynting vector of the incident and the transmitted light. Assuming ##\mu=1##,
##E_tB_T/(E_iB_i)=T## or ##n_2E_t^2/n_1E_i^2## and a similar equation for R.
Doing some math I found out that, in order for

B_{t} = n\,E_{t}/c

we must have

E_{t} = T_{E}\,E_{i}

B_{t} = T_{B}\,B_{i}

So I believe it makes sense for the Fresnel coefficients to be different for both fields.
 
Gabriel Maia said:
So I believe it makes sense for the Fresnel coefficients to be different for both fields.
Probably yes. It is a bit confusing that you uses "T" and "R" for the coefficients of the field amplitudes. Most texts I know use "t" and "r" for the amplitudes and use the capital letters for the intensities.
 
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