What is the derivation of the second equation for area velocity?

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of the second equation for area velocity, building on an understanding of the first equation. The area swept out by a particle in time δt is approximated using the cross-product of position and velocity vectors, leading to the first formula. For the second equation, the discussion explores calculating the area in both Cartesian and polar coordinates, emphasizing the relationship between the radius and angular velocity. The participants confirm that the derived expression for the area velocity is correct. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding vector relationships in deriving these equations.
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I want to understand the second equation for Areal velocity as given below.
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I think I understand how the first equation comes about.

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In ##dt## the particle travels by ##dr##, I considered it as a triangle with altitude ##r## and base ##dr##. On dividing the area travelled in ##dt## by ##dt## we get the above equation.
A similar argument can be applied to ##\frac 1 2 \rho^2 \frac {d\phi} {dt}## as ##\rho## is same as r and ##\rho \frac {d\phi} {dt}## is same as ##\frac {dr} {dt}##

But, I am not able to understand the 2nd equation. I can provide a similar argument for ##xv_y## but can,t seem to reason any further.
Please be kind to help.
 

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The unsigned area swept out in time \delta t is approximately |\delta S| \approx \tfrac12 <br /> \|\mathbf{r} \times (\mathbf{r} + \mathbf{v}\delta t)\| = <br /> \tfrac12 \|\mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{v}\| |\delta t|. This is because the magnitude of the cross-product gives the area of the parallelogram bounded by \mathbf{r} and \mathbf{r} + \mathbf{v} \delta t, and the area swept out is approximately the area of a triangle which is one half of the parallelogram. Dividing by \delta t and taking the limit \delta t \to 0 gives <br /> \left|\frac{dS}{dt}\right| = \tfrac12 \|\mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{v}\|. This is essentially the derivation of the first formula.

To derive the second, in the case of motion in the (x,y,0) plane we can calculate \frac12\|\mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{v}\| either in cartesians or in plane polars using the standard formulae \begin{split}<br /> \mathbf{r} &amp;= r\mathbf{e}_r(\theta) \\<br /> \mathbf{v} &amp;= \dot r \mathbf{e}_r(\theta) + r\dot \theta \mathbf{e}_{\theta}(\theta) \end{split} where <br /> \mathbf{e}_r(\theta) \times \mathbf{e}_\theta(\theta) \equiv \mathbf{e}_z. We can then adopt the convention that S increases in the direction of increasing \theta to remove the absolute value signs.
 
pasmith said:
To derive the second, in the case of motion in the (x,y,0) plane we can calculate 12‖r×v‖ either in cartesians or in plane polars using the standard formulae r=rer(θ)v=r˙er(θ)+rθ˙eθ(θ) where er(θ)×eθ(θ)≡ez. We can then adopt the convention that S increases in the direction of increasing θ to remove the absolute value signs.
Thank You so much @pasmith !
##\vec r = x \hat i + y \hat j##
##\vec v = v_x \hat i + v_y \hat j##

##\vec r \times \vec v = (x v_y - y v_x) \hat k##
##\frac {dS} {dt} = \frac 1 2 (xv_y-yv_x)##
Is the above right?
 
Yes, the above is right
 
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