At what angle does a ball on a massless pendulum reach equilibrium?

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The discussion revolves around determining the angle at which a ball on a massless pendulum reaches equilibrium when the tension in the rod equals the ball's weight. The user initially calculates the angle to be 64.5° from the vertical but finds a discrepancy with the textbook answer of 71°. The calculations involve using energy conservation and centripetal force equations, leading to confusion about the reference angles used. Clarification is provided that the angle should be measured from the vertical, not the horizontal, which is crucial for accurate results. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly interpreting the problem's requirements for solving physics equations.
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Homework Statement



A rod of neligeable mass is released from the horizontal position. As a ball at the end of the rod falls, it reaches a point at which the tension, T, in the rod equals the ball's weight. At what angle from the verticle does this occur. I am not getting the same answer as my book--Halliday and Resnick 7th ed, problem 69, p 195.


Homework Equations



Let the verticle height the ball falls, h, h = R sinθ where R is the length of the rod.
Fnet on the ball = ma = T - Fg. T = mg(weight of ball). Fg = mgsinθ.
ma = mv^2/R(centripital force).
So if T = mg, then mg = mv^2/R + mgsinθ and hence sinθ = 1 - v^2/Rg.

The Attempt at a Solution



Forging on, 1/2mv^2 = mgh because the kinetic energy of the ball equals the gravitational work done on the ball at the point in question.
So v^2 = 2Rgsinθ.
Solving for θ, sinθ = 1 - 2Rgsinθ/Rg, 3sinθ = 1, θ = 19.47°
Thus the angle from the verticle is 45° + 19.5° = 64.5°.
The book gives ans answer of 71°
 
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tomstringer said:
So v^2 = 2Rgsinθ.
Solving for θ, sinθ = 1 - 2Rgsinθ/Rg, 3sinθ = 1, θ = 19.47°
Thus the angle from the verticle is 45° + 19.5° = 64.5°.
Not sure why you are adding 45°. θ is the angle from the horizontal.
 
θ, the angle from the horizontal, was used to simplify the solution. Since the question asks, "what is the angle from the verticle" I added 45°.
 
tomstringer said:
θ, the angle from the horizontal, was used to simplify the solution. Since the question asks, "what is the angle from the verticle" I added 45°.
So you think the angle between vertical and horizontal is 45°? :wink:
 
Try this: If something makes an angle of 0° with the horizontal what angle does it make with the vertical?
 
Done. Thanks.
 
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