Why is static friction not considered in the work-energy theorem?

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The discussion clarifies that static friction does not perform work in the context of the work-energy theorem due to the lack of movement at the point of contact. Specifically, when no slipping occurs, the displacement (dx) is zero, resulting in zero work done (Fdx = 0). This principle explains the efficiency of rolling motion, such as in vehicles, where static friction allows for movement without energy loss. Ultimately, while static friction can influence motion, it does not contribute to net work in energy conservation equations.

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Homework Statement
A ball rolls down a sphere (without slipping). At what height will the ball lose contact with the sphere?
Ball radius = r, sphere radius = R, ball mass = m, ball I = 2/5mr^2
Relevant Equations
Conservation of energy:
mg(R+r)(1-cos theta) = 1/2mv^2 + 1/2 I w^2.
My question is this:
- Friction exists (for no slipping/pure rolling to occur)
- Why is the work done against friction not accounted for in the conservation of energy equation?

Thank you!
 
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phantomvommand said:
My question is this:
- Friction exists (for no slipping/pure rolling to occur)
- Why is the work done against friction not accounted for in the conservation of energy equation?
For no slipping, you have static friction, which does no work.
 
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PeroK said:
For no slipping, you have static friction, which does no work.
Just to confirm, you mean that it does no work as the point of contact is not moving (ie Fdx = 0, as dx = 0?)
 
phantomvommand said:
Just to confirm, you mean that it does no work as the point of contact is not moving (ie Fdx = 0, as dx = 0?)
Yes, that's why rolling is so efficient. And why you don't lose rubber off your car tyres when drving normally.
 
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phantomvommand said:
Just to confirm, you mean that it does no work as the point of contact is not moving (ie Fdx = 0, as dx = 0?)
It depends how you are defining dx. If as the relative motion of the surfaces then yes, dx=0.
But consider a block resting on an accelerating block, no sliding.
As far as the top block is concerned friction is doing work on it. If that block advances distance x then the work done is Ffx. The lower block takes the opposite view, i.e. the work done by the friction is -Ffx.
In short, no net work is done by static friction.
 
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