Book of T-S diagrams, or the like

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the search for physical books containing thermodynamic charts, specifically T-S diagrams, relevant to chemical engineering. Participants explore the availability of resources for various substances and the reliance on digital tools versus physical references.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need for a comprehensive book of thermodynamic charts, noting limitations in existing resources like Perry's, particularly the absence of charts for CO2 and many hydrocarbons.
  • Another participant suggests looking into "Applied Thermodynamics," mentioning that obscure ACS/AIChE materials might be helpful.
  • Some participants propose using online resources to find T-S diagrams, indicating that they can be easily located through a simple search.
  • There is a discussion about the preference for physical books over digital resources, with one participant acknowledging the efficiency of online searches but expressing a personal preference for physical materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the availability of physical resources, with some advocating for online searches while others emphasize the value of physical books. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to finding comprehensive thermodynamic charts.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various sources and tools, including REFPROP and chemical process simulation software, but do not clarify the limitations or assumptions related to the availability of physical resources.

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Hello - I just starting out in chemical engineering. I hold a batchelor's degree in Chemistry, and am making a transition to ChemE. This isn't for any class, just in general for reference, does anyone know of a good book that is primarily just thermodynamic charts, like T-S diagrams? I have Perry's and it definitely has a lot of charts, but only about every seventh or eighth compound has one. Normally, this probably wouldn't really be something to sneeze over, until I found no chart for CO2. Upon further investigation, I found that many of the hydrocarbons don't have charts in Perry's either. But our professor is saying that chemical engineers first go to steam tables to get estimates in industry. I found a book on amazon called The T-S diagram from 1911. I assume I would want something newer.

Am I missing something here and there really are just tons of books out there? Or do Chemical Engineers only have a few substances that they work with and just plug numbers into programs for the less used substances to get the final answer every time, even though they only need an estimate of the heat requirement for a process, for example? Or am I just missing the resources?

And I have REFPROP - NIST and other electronic databanks, but I really do like to use physical resources when I can, so I'm really specifically asking about physical books and such.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Applied Thermodynamics, ACS State of the Art Symposia, reprints from I&EC 1967-1968, Kwang-Chu Chao (presumably editor). If you can run down some of the more obscure ACS/AIChE material you may find yourself in luck --- more than likely the opposite --- I grabbed what I could many years ago.
 
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Why don't you just Google the T-S diagrams of the substances you are interested in? I found one pretty easily for CO2. Also, chemical process simulation software like Aspen has lots of thermo data in its data banks.
 
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Applied Thermodynamics, ACS State of the Art Symposia, reprints from I&EC 1967-1968, Kwang-Chu Chao (presumably editor). If you can run down some of the more obscure ACS/AIChE material you may find yourself in luck --- more than likely the opposite --- I grabbed what I could many years ago.
This looks good! Thanks for the suggestion!
 
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Why don't you just Google the T-S diagrams of the substances you are interested in? I found one pretty easily for CO2. Also, chemical process simulation software like Aspen has lots of thermo data in its data banks.
Thank you for the reply! Yes, I found three different ones in less than two minutes that worked fine. I'm certainly not opposed to google, and use it for pretty much everything, but I guess I'm old school a little bit in that I prefer to flip through a physical page if it doesn't make me lose efficiency and time in my work. Its purely a preference and aesthetics thing.
 

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