I Calculate Liquid Flow Rate in Isolated Pipes

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When isolating a section of pipe and bleeding off pressure, the pressure can sometimes rise, indicating potential leakage past closed valves. To determine the flow rate of this leakage in liters per minute, a formula based on the pressure differential and valve characteristics is needed. Laboratory tests on the specific valves can help measure flow rates as a function of pressure difference and valve closure. The effectiveness of the valve's seal is crucial, as some valves may leak while others do not. Understanding these factors will help assess whether the leakage is manageable during maintenance.
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Hello, my first post here. I encounter a situation frequently at work that I'd like help with so here it is...

When I isolate a particular section of pipe (by closing valves), I then bleed off the pressure in the isolated section (volume of isolated pipe varies from 3 cubic meters up to about 18 cubic meters). I often bleed the pressure down to about 10psi. Then I observe a digital pressure gauge to confirm that the closed valves are holding. There is often upwards of 300-800 psi of crude oil in this pipe. Occasionally, the pressure in the isolated section climbs slowly 20 psi/minute (give or take). Sometimes the valves hold completely and no pressure rise occurs in the isolated section and then we're all happy. But when the pressure does climb, how can I get a "liters/minute" flow rate so that I know how much product will be leaking past the valves after I have drained the isolated section and I open that isolated section for maintenance. I need to know if the leakage is manageable or not. I assume the variable numbers you need to know are:

isolated pipe volume: 5 cubic meters
time: 60 seconds
pressure rise: 10 psi
mainline pressure: 500 psi
incoming flow rate (leakage past closed valve): ?? Liters/minute

Is there a formula for this that will work on various sizes of isolated pipe sections? Maybe mainline pressure is irrelavent? Do you need more info?

Thanks!
 
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atc250r said:
Hello, my first post here. I encounter a situation frequently at work that I'd like help with so here it is...

When I isolate a particular section of pipe (by closing valves), I then bleed off the pressure in the isolated section (volume of isolated pipe varies from 3 cubic meters up to about 18 cubic meters). I often bleed the pressure down to about 10psi. Then I observe a digital pressure gauge to confirm that the closed valves are holding. There is often upwards of 300-800 psi of crude oil in this pipe. Occasionally, the pressure in the isolated section climbs slowly 20 psi/minute (give or take). Sometimes the valves hold completely and no pressure rise occurs in the isolated section and then we're all happy. But when the pressure does climb, how can I get a "liters/minute" flow rate so that I know how much product will be leaking past the valves after I have drained the isolated section and I open that isolated section for maintenance. I need to know if the leakage is manageable or not. I assume the variable numbers you need to know are:

isolated pipe volume: 5 cubic meters
time: 60 seconds
pressure rise: 10 psi
mainline pressure: 500 psi
incoming flow rate (leakage past closed valve): ?? Liters/minute

Is there a formula for this that will work on various sizes of isolated pipe sections? Maybe mainline pressure is irrelavent? Do you need more info?

Thanks!
It seems to me that you need to do some off line laboratory tests on a valve to measure the flow rate as a function of the pressure difference and fraction valve closure.
 
Chestermiller said:
It seems to me that you need to do some off line laboratory tests on a valve to measure the flow rate as a function of the pressure difference and fraction valve closure.

If the valve is working as it should, there would be zero leakage through it, no matter the pressure differential acting upon the valve. Certain valves in the system seal 100%, others that are older, do not. When they don't seal 100%, it would be really nice to know how many litres/minute will be leaking past the valve once the system is "opened".
 
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