Calculate the coefficient of kinetic friction for a sliding box

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The discussion revolves around calculating the coefficient of kinetic friction for a box being pulled across a floor by a motor. The problem involves understanding the forces acting on the box, including tension, friction, and normal force, while considering the box's mass and acceleration.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the forces acting on the box, including tension and friction, and how they relate to the net force and acceleration. Questions arise about the assumptions regarding the normal force and the nature of friction in this context.

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Participants have engaged in a detailed exploration of the forces involved, with some clarifying the definitions of net force and normal force. There is a recognition of the need to relate the frictional force to the coefficient of kinetic friction, and guidance has been provided on how to express these relationships mathematically.

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There is some confusion regarding the normal force and its calculation, as well as the relationship between the forces acting on the box. Participants are working through these concepts while adhering to the constraints of the problem.

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Homework Statement


An electric motor is used to pull a 125 kg box across a floor using a long cable. The tension in the cable is 350N and the box accelerates at 1.2m/s2 (forward) for 5.0s. The cable breaks and the box slows down and stops. Calculating the coefficient of kinetic force?

Given:
m=125 kg
a= 1.2 m/s2
t= 5.0s
Ft=350 N

Homework Equations


uk=Fk / FN

The Attempt at a Solution


Fnet = ma
Fnet = (125kg)(1.2m/s2)
Fnet = 150

Thought Fk would be 350N because that's the Ft.

And then Uk would equal 350N divided by 150 but I got 2.3 when the answer is 0.16 not sure how to get answer?
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Ya mean, calculate the coefficient of kinetic friction?
 
You correctly got Fnet=150N, what forces is that the net of?
 
I thought that since the object is 125 kg it would have a force of gravity of 1225N because 125kg•9.8m/s2
so that'd mean that the normal force would also be 1225N and I know that the force of tension would be 350N. I think that Fg and FN would cancel out leaving me with only FT?
 
Sace Ver said:
I thought that since the object is 125 kg it would have a force of gravity of 1225N because 125kg•9.8m/s2
so that'd mean that the normal force would also be 1225N and I know that the force of tension would be 350N. I think that Fg and FN would cancel out leaving me with only FT?
What about friction?
 
haruspex said:
What about friction?
friction would be 350N as well I'm assuming?
 
Sace Ver said:
friction would be 350N as well I'm assuming?
Why would you assume that?
 
haruspex said:
Why would you assume that?
Because the force of tension is 350N so the opposite side is 350N as well?
 
Sace Ver said:
Because the force of tension is 350N so the opposite side is 350N as well?
That would make the net horizontal force zero, but you have already calculated that the net horizontal force is not zero.

Do you understand what the equation ##\Sigma F_x = ma_x## means?
 
  • #10
haruspex said:
That would make the net horizontal force zero, but you have already calculated that the net horizontal force is not zero.

Do you understand what the equation ##\Sigma F_x = ma_x## means?

Fnet = mass • acceleration that's all I know
 
  • #11
Sace Ver said:
Fnet = mass • acceleration that's all I know
OK, and you used that to calculate Fnet, which is to say the sum of the horizontal forces. The value was not zero. So why did you suggest in post #8 that the horizontal forces should balance, which would give a zero Fnet? Do you understand what net force means?
 
  • #12
haruspex said:
OK, and you used that to calculate Fnet, which is to say the sum of the horizontal forces. The value was not zero. So why did you suggest in post #8 that the horizontal forces should balance, which would give a zero Fnet? Do you understand what net force means?
Net force is the sum of all forces acting on an object
 
  • #13
Sace Ver said:
Net force is the sum of all forces acting on an object
Right.
As you said, the vertical forces balance, so it just leaves the horizontal forces: tension and friction.
Write out the ##\Sigma F_x=F_{net}## equation using the known horizontal forces and net force.
 
  • #14
haruspex said:
Right.
As you said, the vertical forces balance, so it just leaves the horizontal forces: tension and friction.
Write out the ##\Sigma F_x=F_{net}## equation using the known horizontal forces and net force.

(350N) Fx = 150N
Fx = 150N - 350N
Fx = 200N [backwards]
 
  • #15
Sace Ver said:
(350N) Fx = 150N
I have no idea where you get that from.
Sace Ver said:
Fx = 150N - 350N
That is not quite what I meant, but it's close. "Fx" was meant to stand for a generic horizontal force. Let's use Ff for frictional force:
##150N=ma_x=F_{x net}=\Sigma F_x=##Tension+Friction##=350N+F_f##.
So, yes, Ff has magnitude 200N.
Now deduce the coefficient of friction.
 
  • #16
haruspex said:
I have no idea where you get that from.

That is not quite what I meant, but it's close. "Fx" was meant to stand for a generic horizontal force. Let's use Ff for frictional force:
##150N=ma_x=F_{x net}=\Sigma F_x=##Tension+Friction##=350N+F_f##.
So, yes, Ff has magnitude 200N.
Now deduce the coefficient of friction.
Do I use that entire formula and sub in all my information?
 
  • #17
Sace Ver said:
Do I use that entire formula and sub in all my information?
Do you mean the whole of this?
haruspex said:
##150N=ma_x=F_{x net}=\Sigma F_x=##Tension+Friction##=350N+F_f##.
No, that expresses the chain of logic. Do you understand each of the steps in there?
It leads to result that ##150N=350N+F_f##, which I assume is what you meant by your equation in post #14.
It remains to express ##F_f## in some way involving the coefficient of friction.
 
  • #18
haruspex said:
Do you mean the whole of this?

No, that expresses the chain of logic. Do you understand each of the steps in there?
It leads to result that ##150N=350N+F_f##, which I assume is what you meant by your equation in post #14.
It remains to express ##F_f## in some way involving the coefficient of friction.
150N = 350N + Ff is what I meant!
 
  • #19
Sace Ver said:
150N = 350N + Ff is what I meant!
Just not sure where to go after finding out that the magnitude of Ff equals 200N.
 
  • #20
Sace Ver said:
Just not sure where to go after finding out that the magnitude of Ff equals 200N.
How does your Ff relate to your Fk?
 
  • #21
Sace Ver said:
Just not sure where to go after finding out that the magnitude of Ff equals 200N.
Use the relevant equation you quoted in your original post.
 
  • #22
haruspex said:
Use the relevant equation you quoted in your original post.
So my Ff = 200 N would be subbed into the Fk of the relevant equation?
 
  • #23
Sace Ver said:
So my Ff = 200 N would be subbed into the Fk of the relevant equation?
yes, it's the kinetic friction force.
 
  • #24
haruspex said:
yes, it's the kinetic friction force.
And FN would be 150N?
 
  • #25
Sace Ver said:
And FN would be 150N?
No.
What is meant by the term 'normal force'?
 
  • #26
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haruspex said:
No.
What is meant by the term 'normal force'?
I see I see so it would be uk = Ff/FN
uk = 200N/1225N
uk = 0.16
Thank you so much !
 

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