Calculate the Lagrangian of a coupled pendulum system

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the Lagrangian for a coupled pendulum system consisting of a plank suspended by two ropes of different lengths. The setup includes considerations for the lengths of the ropes, the mass of the plank, and the need to determine normal frequencies and modes of the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to define generalized coordinates for the system but expresses uncertainty about how to implement these choices. They also seek guidance on writing the Lagrangian for an extended object rather than point masses.
  • Some participants suggest writing the Lagrangian by expressing kinetic and potential energies in terms of the generalized coordinates.
  • Others raise questions about how the strings affect the kinetic energy terms and the constraints on the movement of the rod.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of the Lagrangian and the consideration of the kinetic energy of the plank, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes a lack of resources online that resemble their specific problem, indicating a potential gap in available examples for similar setups.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the Lagrangian of this set up:

Imagine having two ropes: They are both attached to the ceiling and have different lengths. One has length b and the other has length 4b. Say they are hooked to the ceiling a distance 4b apart. Now, the ropes are both hooked to a plank of mass M (uniform mass density) of length 5b. The rod can move in 3 dimensions. Ultimately, I am after the normal frequencies and normal modes of the system, but I think I can determine these if I can figure out this lagrangian

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Homework Equations



\mathcal{L} = T-U

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, I am not entirely sure how to go about this but my book suggests to use the coordinate x for the longitudinal displacement of the rod and y_1 and y_2 as the sideways displacement of the rods two ends. Also, we are only assuming small displacements from equilibrium (so I think \dot{z} is going to be zero)
Im not sure how to implement this choice of generalized coordinates.

Can anyone help me out? Also, I have never found a lagrangian for an extended object (its always been point masses in various systems)

Thanks in advance - btw I cannot find ANYTHING online that resembles a problem like this.
 
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I suggest you go about it in the usual way. Write down the lagrangian of the system by expressing the kinetic and potential energies, then express those in terms of the generalised coordinate(s).
 
I've never written down the lagrangian of an extended object. I realize the K.E of the plank would be the K.E of its center of mass (\frac{1}{2}m( \dot{x}^2+ \dot{y}^2) ) and probably some rotational K.E like \frac{1}{2} I \omega^2 but I don't know how the strings affect these terms...
 
DeldotB said:
I've never written down the lagrangian of an extended object. I realize the K.E of the plank would be the K.E of its center of mass (\frac{1}{2}m( \dot{x}^2+ \dot{y}^2) ) and probably some rotational K.E like \frac{1}{2} I \omega^2 but I don't know how the strings affect these terms...
The strings are massless. All you have to figure out is how they constrain the movement of the rod. You can do this by expressing the rod position (angle and com) in terms of your generalised coordinate and taking the time derivative to find the velocity and angular velocity of the rod.
 

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