Calculating Centripetal Acceleration in a Vertical Loop

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The discussion revolves around calculating centripetal acceleration in a vertical loop, highlighting the importance of considering forces acting on an object at different points in motion. The initial equations presented suggest a misunderstanding of the directionality of forces, particularly the weight and centripetal force, which do not align. It is emphasized that when the block leaves the loop, it enters projectile motion, and the normal force is not applicable at that moment. The correct approach involves treating the motion as projectile once contact is lost, with gravity dictating the centripetal acceleration during free fall. Ultimately, the calculations must reflect the transition from circular to projectile motion accurately.
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Homework Statement
A small particle slides from height H=45 cm as shown and
then loops inside the vertical loop of radius R from where a
section of angle = 60° has been removed. If R = (1/N)
meter, such that after losing contact at A and flying through
the air, the particle will reach at the topmost point B. Find
N. Neglect friction everywhere.
Relevant Equations
$$mg(h) = mg(h') + \frac{1}{2}mv^2$$

$$mg = \frac{mv^2}{r}$$
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$$mg(0.45) = mg(R + R \cdot cos(\frac{π}{3})) + \frac{1}{2}mv^2$$

$$v^2 = g(0.9 - 3R)$$

The centripetal acceleration during the "flying through air" will be given by gravity

$$mg \cdot cos(\frac{\pi}{3}) = \frac{mv^2}{r}$$

$$R = \frac{1.8}{5}$$

But my book says $$ R = \frac{1}{5}$$
 
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Your equation

$$mg=\frac{mv^2}{r}$$​

is incorrect. The weight and the centripetal force do not point in the same direction. You have to consider components if this equation is meant to express Newton's 2nd law. Also, there is a normal force acting on the mass just before the particle reaches the gap.
 
kuruman said:
Your equation $$mg=\frac{mv^2}{r}$$is incorrect. The weight and the centripetal force do not point in the same direction. You have to consider components if this equation is meant to be Newton's 2nd law. Also, there is a normal force acting on the mass just before the particle reaches the gap.
I've used $$mg \cdot cos\frac{\pi}{3} $$ in the solution. As for the normal force, it's not present because I've considered the instant at which the block has just left the loop
 
Fitz Watson said:
I've used $$mg \cdot cos\frac{\pi}{3} $$ in the solution. As for the normal force, it's not present because I've considered the instant at which the block has just left the loop
At the instant at which the block has just left the loop the block is in free fall and undergoes projectile motion.

On edit: The answer in the book that you quoted is correct if the units are meters. Treat the problem as projectile motion as soon as the particle loses contact with the track.
 
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Fitz Watson said:
The centripetal acceleration during the "flying through air" will be given by gravity
Not sure what your thinking is behind that statement.
It will fly through the air in a parabola, not a circle.
Of course, centripetal acceleration doesn't only apply to circular motion. In general, it is just the acceleration component at right angles to the velocity. But once it loses contact with the loop that will cease to point to the centre of the loop.
 
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