Calculating Magnetic Field Strength of Magnetron

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The discussion focuses on calculating the magnetic field strength of a magnetron, which involves understanding the relationship between centripetal force and magnetic force acting on electrons in a circular orbit. The resonant frequency and the period of revolution are given, but participants struggle to find the radius or speed of the electrons. They discuss using angular velocity and its relation to linear velocity to derive the necessary equations. The conversation emphasizes the importance of substituting angular velocity into the magnetic force equation to simplify the calculations. Ultimately, the goal is to find the magnetic field strength using the known parameters and relationships.
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Homework Statement


A magnetron is a microwave source in which a "bunch" of electrons travel on a circular orbit in a uniform magnetic field. As the electrons pass the electrodes, a high-frequency alternating voltage difference occurs.

Suppose the resonant frequency is f = 1.91×1010 s−1; that is, the electron period of revolution is T = 5.24×10-11 s. What is the corresponding strength of the magnetic field?
Set the centripetal force equal to the magnetic force. The electron charge is -1.6E-19 C and the electron mass is 9.1E-31 kg.


Homework Equations


mv^2/r= qv*b


The Attempt at a Solution



none i can't find away to find the radius or speed
 
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So in

\frac{mv^2}{r}=BQv

does anything happen to cancel out?


Do you know a relation between some sort of velocity and period?
 
just one V is i am solving for b and the only thing i know is what is at the begging
 
Wizardofwaz said:
just one V is i am solving for b and the only thing i know is what is at the begging

good good. So now we have

\frac{mv}{r}=Bq


Right?


so do you know any other formula where 'something' is equal to v/r ?
 
kinetic engergy

1/2mv
______
r
 
Wizardofwaz said:
kinetic engergy

1/2mv
______
r

no no, I went a bit over your head there.

Do you know of angular velocity?
 
ω = θ / t (2a)

where

ω= angular velocity (rad/s)

θ = angular displacement (rad)

t = time (s)
 
Wizardofwaz said:
ω = θ / t (2a)

where

ω= angular velocity (rad/s)

θ = angular displacement (rad)

t = time (s)

so if θ=s/r (s= arc length)

then ω=(s/r)/t = (s/t)/r

Since s is a distance, what does distance/time give?
 
velocity, but how do i find that out from what i know
 
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Wizardofwaz said:
velocity, but how do i find that out from what i know

Now if s/t=v

then ω=v/r right?


Now what is ω with what you have?

If ω is the angular displacement in one revolution/time taken to make one revolution, what is ω equal to?
 
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so s=360 T= 5.24×10-11 s
 
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Wizardofwaz said:
so s=360 T= 5.24×10-11 s

ω=θ/T

Right right, we're reaching somewhere. In one revolution, how many radians does it rotate?
 
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2pie
 
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Wizardofwaz said:
2pie

Nice! (2pi=2π)

so now ω=2π/T


so can we find ω now?


Can we replace v/r by ω in this formula?

\frac{mv}{r}=BQ
 
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m*(2pi/t)/r= Bq
 
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but how di i find r
 
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Wizardofwaz said:
m*(2pi/t)/r= Bq

no no

\omega= \frac{v}{r}=\frac{2\pi}{T}

so your formula changes to?
 
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