Calculating Work Done: A Secondary Two Homework Problem

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The discussion revolves around a secondary two homework problem related to calculating work done, specifically in the context of energy conversion involving a motor and a train of cars. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their answer and the relevant equations, indicating a focus on understanding the concepts rather than applying specific formulas.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the concept of energy storage and conversion, questioning where electrical energy is stored when the motor is off and how it relates to kinetic energy. There is a suggestion to describe the motor's function in a physics context, emphasizing the conversion of electrical energy to mechanical energy.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing encouragement and prompting the original poster to think critically about the energy transformations involved. There is no explicit consensus, but a productive direction is indicated through the questions and clarifications offered.

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There is mention of a template that participants are encouraged to follow for assistance, which suggests a structured approach to the discussion. The original poster's confusion about the concepts indicates a need for further exploration of the topic.

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hi! so I'm in secondary two, and so far in my syllabus we have covered up to work done. now this is my homework, and I'm not sure whether my answer is accurate, could you help me with this?



(I haven't learned the equations yet)



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Hello Warp, and welcome to PF. Please use the template: we are house trained not to provide assistance unlees you use the template, for good reasons. See the guidelines.

In this case you get an encouragement question in return: suppose the train of cars pauses at the top for a night. The electricity is switched off. Where is the (electrical?) energy stored that gets converted into kinetic energy the next morning ?

The physics is a little more instantaneous: you want to describe the happening as a two-step process, where two conversions take place, one after the other.
 
BvU said:
Hello Warp, and welcome to PF. Please use the template: we are house trained not to provide assistance unlees you use the template, for good reasons. See the guidelines.

In this case you get an encouragement question in return: suppose the train of cars pauses at the top for a night. The electricity is switched off. Where is the (electrical?) energy stored that gets converted into kinetic energy the next morning ?

The physics is a little more instantaneous: you want to describe the happening as a two-step process, where two conversions take place, one after the other.

oh my god I'm sorry for not following the rules but thank you for the question. does that mean i have to describe the motor? i am really confused
 
In a way, yes. Not how it works internally, but what is does in a physics, mechanics sense: A motor converts electrical energy into mechanical energy. It does work dragging the train up from a certain level to a higher level in a certain time.
Apparently there is some energy stored in height: if you drop a brick on a bottle you can crush it (and crushing requires energy). And a train at the top of the ramp can acquire kinetic energy from going down, whichever way it got at the top: if Popeye eats spinach and puts it there it will behave exactly the same as when the motor dragged it up there a millisecond or a day ago. So it's not spinach energy, nor electric energy once the train is at the top.

And it's good you feel confused. Better confused and looking for understanding one way or another than certain and dead wrong.
 
Thread locked because of inappropriate username choice...
 
berkeman said:
Thread locked because of inappropriate username choice...
:smile::smile:

berkeman,thread is not locked.?
 

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