Changing spherical coordinates in a Lagrangian

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of different meanings for the variable ##\theta## in the expression for the kinetic energy in spherical coordinates. It is suggested that using the variable ##\alpha##, where ##\alpha = \pi - \theta##, does not require a change in the expression and simply results in a change in naming.
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In order to compute de lagrangian in spherical coordinates, one usually writes the following expression for the kinetic energy: $$T = \dfrac{1}{2} m ( \dot{r}^2 + r^2 \dot{\theta}^2 + r^2 \sin^2 \theta \dot{\phi}^2 )\ ,$$ where ##\theta## is the colatitud or polar angle and ##\phi## is the azimuthal angle.

My question is what happens if I want to give a different meaning to ##\theta##, for example the latitude itself or even the opposite angle from the South Pole, ##\pi - \theta##.

Let ##\alpha## be such an angle ##\alpha = \pi - \theta##. Since ##\dot{\alpha}=\dot{\theta}##, is it valid to just perform the change of the kinetic energy as $$T = \dfrac{1}{2} m ( \dot{r}^2 + r^2 \dot{\alpha}^2 + r^2 \sin^2 (\pi-\alpha) \dot{\phi}^2 )\ ,$$ or do I need to rebuild the expression using the new variable from the beginning? Or maybe the same original expression still holds true?.
 
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Well, the trig identity says ##\sin(\pi-\alpha)=\sin\pi\cos\alpha-\cos\pi\sin\alpha=\sin\alpha##. So your kinetic energy would be ##T = \dfrac{1}{2} m ( \dot{r}^2 + r^2 \dot{\alpha}^2 + r^2 \sin^2 (\alpha) \dot{\phi}^2 )##. What's the difference? Answer: Just a name change.
 
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1. How do you convert from spherical coordinates to Cartesian coordinates in a Lagrangian?

To convert from spherical coordinates (r, θ, φ) to Cartesian coordinates (x, y, z) in a Lagrangian, you can use the following equations:

x = r*sin(θ)*cos(φ)

y = r*sin(θ)*sin(φ)

z = r*cos(θ)

2. What is the purpose of using spherical coordinates in a Lagrangian?

Spherical coordinates are often used in Lagrangian mechanics because they simplify the mathematical equations and make it easier to solve problems involving rotational motion or systems with spherical symmetry.

3. Can you use other coordinate systems besides spherical coordinates in a Lagrangian?

Yes, other coordinate systems such as cylindrical coordinates or Cartesian coordinates can also be used in a Lagrangian. The choice of coordinate system depends on the specific problem being solved and which system will make the equations easier to solve.

4. How do you calculate the kinetic energy in spherical coordinates in a Lagrangian?

The kinetic energy in spherical coordinates can be calculated using the following equation:

T = 1/2*m*(r'^2 + r^2*θ'^2 + r^2*sin(θ)^2*φ'^2)

where m is the mass, r' is the derivative of r with respect to time, θ' is the derivative of θ with respect to time, and φ' is the derivative of φ with respect to time.

5. Are there any limitations to using spherical coordinates in a Lagrangian?

Yes, there are some limitations to using spherical coordinates in a Lagrangian. They are not suitable for problems involving non-spherical objects or systems with non-spherical symmetry. Additionally, the equations can become more complex when dealing with systems with multiple moving parts or complex geometries.

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