Charge conjugation in Peskin and Schroeder

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the charge conjugation of Dirac bilinears as presented in Peskin and Schroeder, specifically focusing on the computational challenges faced when reconstructing transformations under charge conjugation, parity, time reversal, and CPT. The participants are examining a specific equation related to these transformations and the implications of the transpose operation on the gamma matrices.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the transpose operation applied to the gamma matrix in the context of charge conjugation, specifically in relation to equation 3.145.
  • Another participant clarifies that the left-hand side involves taking the transpose of ##\psi^\dagger## and then multiplying by ##\gamma^2##, while the right-hand side involves a different sequence of operations.
  • A further participant attempts to derive the equality step by step, indicating confusion over the transpose of the gamma matrices and suggesting a potential oversight in their calculations.
  • One participant points out the relationship between the transpose of the Pauli matrices and the gamma matrices, indicating that ##(\sigma^2)^T = -\sigma^2## and that ##(\gamma^2)^T = \gamma^2## in the Weyl representation.
  • A later reply acknowledges a realization of a mistake regarding the transpose of ##\gamma^2##, attributing the confusion to a misunderstanding of the dimensionality of the matrices involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial confusion regarding the transpose operation, but there is agreement on the properties of the gamma matrices as clarified by one participant. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty regarding the mathematical operations involved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the properties of the gamma matrices and the specific context of their application in the Weyl basis. The dimensionality of the matrices and the implications of the transpose operation are also points of contention.

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Hey there

I'm trying to reconstruct the entire table of all Dirac bilinears under C, P, T and CPT transformations of page 71 and hit a wall on charge conjugation.

It's a computational problem, really. Here's a specific problem:
Equation 3.145 we have
$$-i\gamma ^2 \left( \psi ^{\dagger }\right) ^T =-i\left( \bar{\psi}\gamma ^0 \gamma ^2 \right) ^T$$

If I understand what is going on, we are taking the transpose of ##\gamma ^2##, which should have changed the sign of the whole expression. This is in Weyl basis. All my calculations following give wrong results but this and this is the first step that shows a problem, so it might be the root. What am I doing wrong?

BTW, I was going to post this in homework/coursework but I feel it doesn't fit the pre-made layout very well.
 
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diegzumillo said:
If I understand what is going on, we are taking the transpose of ##\gamma ^2##

Not the way I'm reading the equation you posted. On the LHS, you're taking the transpose of ##\psi^\dagger##, then multiplying that on the left with ##\gamma^2##. On the RHS, you're multiplying togethr ##\bar{\psi}##, ##\gamma^0##, and ##\gamma^2##, and then taking the transpose of the result.
 
But how does that equality hold? Working from right to left, step by step, and neglecting that -i:
$$(\bar{\psi} \gamma ^0 \gamma^2)^T$$
$$(\psi ^\dagger \gamma^0 \gamma ^0 \gamma^2)^T$$
$$(\psi ^\dagger \gamma^2)^T$$
$$ \gamma^{2T} (\psi ^\dagger)^T$$
$$ -\gamma^2 (\psi ^\dagger)^T$$

I can almost sense it. There is always a dumb mistake and I will slap my forehead. Any moment now.
 
diegzumillo said:
I can almost sense it. There is always a dumb mistake and I will slap my forehead. Any moment now.
Check eq(3.25). Then check the Pauli matrices.

In a little more detail: $$(\sigma^2)^T ~=~ - \sigma^2 ~~.$$ Therefore, (in Weyl rep), $$(\gamma^2)^T ~=~ \gamma^2 ~~.$$
 
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Aaaaand there it is. Right on schedule. slaps forehead

This was a rock solid information in my brain so I never bothered to check. That the transpose of ##\gamma^2## is its negative. The confusion is, of course, because I'm just looking at the 2x2 short-hand version and forgot it's actually 4x4.

Edit: Thank you! =)
 

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