Circuits Question Node Voltage Method

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The discussion revolves around solving a circuit problem using the node voltage method. The user successfully calculated node voltages, confirming their accuracy against the answer key. However, they encountered issues when calculating power, specifically for a 6V source, leading to discrepancies between their results and the answer key. After some back-and-forth, they realized they had neglected to subtract 6 in their power calculation, which corrected their final answer. The conversation highlights the importance of careful attention to detail in circuit analysis.
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Homework Statement



I'm having problems finding the power.

I should my work to get the node voltages. Apparently they are correct. I showed how I got to those answers as well just in case they were wrong but I don't think they are.

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/8812/capturebu.png

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I see from the reference node, which is at a potential of zero, that node 1 is 8 volts higher so...

V_{1} = 8

I then write the equations for the rest of the nodes

\frac{V_{2} - 8}{3} + \frac{V_{2} - 3 - V_{4}}{4} + \frac{V_{2} - V_{3}}{2} = 0
\frac{V_{3} - V_{2}}{2} + \frac{V_{3}}{1} + \frac{v_{3} - 6 - V{4}}{3} = 0
\frac{V_{4} + 3 - V(2)}{4} + \frac{V_{4} + 6 - V{3}}{3} + \frac{V_{4} - V{5}}{2} = 0
\frac{V_{5} - V{4}}{2} + 2 - 3 = 0

I than simplify these equations

(\frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{2})V_{2} - \frac{1}{2}V_{3} - \frac{1}{4}V_{4} = -( -\frac{8}{3} - \frac{3}{4})
-\frac{1}{2}V_{2} + (\frac{1}{2} + 1 + \frac{1}{3})V_{3} - \frac{1}{3}V_{4} = -(-\frac{6}{3})
-\frac{1}{4}V_{2} - \frac{1}{3}V_{3} + (\frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{2})V_{4} - \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = -(\frac{3}{4} + \frac{6}{3})
0V_{2} + 0V_{3} - \frac{1}{2}V_{4} + \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = -(2-3)

I than simplify these equations further

\frac{13}{12}V_{2} - \frac{1}{2}V_{3} - \frac{1}{4}V_{4} + 0V_{5} = \frac{41}{12}
-\frac{1}{2}V_{2} + \frac{11}{6}V_{3} - \frac{1}{3}V_{4} + 0V_{5} = 2
-\frac{1}{4}V_{2} - \frac{1}{3}V_{3} + \frac{13}{12}V_{4} - \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = -\frac{11}{4}
0V_{2} + 0V_{3} - \frac{1}{2}V_{4} + \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = 1

I than define matrix A to be

\frac{13}{12} -\frac{1}{2} -\frac{1}{4} 0
-\frac{1}{2} \frac{11}{6} -\frac{1}{3} 0
-\frac{1}{4} -\frac{1}{3} \frac{13}{12} -\frac{1}{2}
0 0 -\frac{1}{2} \frac{1}{2}

I than define matrix B to be

\frac{41}{12}
2
-\frac{11}{4}
1

I than do

C = A^{-1}B
C = 4.22
2.26
.1
2.1

So

V_{1} = 8
V_{2} = 4.22
V_{3} = 2.26
V_{4} = .1
V_{5} = 2.1

Then

I_{x} = \frac{V{2} - V_{1}}{3} = \frac{4.22 - 8}{3} = -1.26
I_{y} = \frac{V_{3}}{1} = 2.26
I_{z} = \frac{V_{4} - V_{5}}{2} = \frac{.1-2.1}{2} = -1

The answer key says

I_{x} = -1.26
I_{y} = 2.26
I_{z} = -1


So I guess I'm close within round off error

However for

P_{6V} = IV = \frac{V_{3}-V_{4}}{3}6 = \frac{2.26 - .1 - 6}{3}6 = -7.68

The answer key says

P_{6V} = (-1.28)(6) = -7.68

The answer key used the mesh current method. I don't like the mesh current method and try to use the node voltage method always. Either way I should still get the same answer which I don't. I'm not exactly sure why I don't. Thanks for any help.
 
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GreenPrint said:

Homework Statement



I'm having problems finding the power.

I should my work to get the node voltages. Apparently they are correct. I showed how I got to those answers as well just in case they were wrong but I don't think they are.

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/8812/capturebu.png

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I see from the reference node, which is at a potential of zero, that node 1 is 8 volts higher so...

V_{1} = 8

I then write the equations for the rest of the nodes

\frac{V_{2} - 8}{3} + \frac{V_{2} - 3 - V_{4}}{4} + \frac{V_{2} - V_{3}}{2} = 0
\frac{V_{3} - V_{2}}{2} + \frac{V_{3}}{1} + \frac{v_{3} - 6 - V{4}}{3} = 0
\frac{V_{4} + 3 - V(2)}{4} + \frac{V_{4} + 6 - V{3}}{3} + \frac{V_{4} - V{5}}{2} = 0
\frac{V_{5} - V{4}}{2} + 2 - 3 = 0

I than simplify these equations

(\frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{2})V_{2} - \frac{1}{2}V_{3} - \frac{1}{4}V_{4} = -( -\frac{8}{3} - \frac{3}{4})
-\frac{1}{2}V_{2} + (\frac{1}{2} + 1 + \frac{1}{3})V_{3} - \frac{1}{3}V_{4} = -(-\frac{6}{3})
-\frac{1}{4}V_{2} - \frac{1}{3}V_{3} + (\frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{2})V_{4} - \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = -(\frac{3}{4} + \frac{6}{3})
0V_{2} + 0V_{3} - \frac{1}{2}V_{4} + \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = -(2-3)

I than simplify these equations further

\frac{13}{12}V_{2} - \frac{1}{2}V_{3} - \frac{1}{4}V_{4} + 0V_{5} = \frac{41}{12}
-\frac{1}{2}V_{2} + \frac{11}{6}V_{3} - \frac{1}{3}V_{4} + 0V_{5} = 2
-\frac{1}{4}V_{2} - \frac{1}{3}V_{3} + \frac{13}{4}V_{4} - \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = -\frac{11}{4}
Recheck the coefficient for V4 in the above equation. Everything else looks okay to this point.
 
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Never mind I figured it out
 
Oh. For the final answer for the power. I forgot to subtract 6

((2.236-6-.016)/3)6 = -7.56

let me check the coeffecent for V4
 
ok i got it thanks
 
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