Circular motion of a steel block

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The discussion revolves around the circular motion of a steel block attached to a hollow tube, with a focus on the forces acting on the block as it rotates. The problem involves concepts from dynamics, specifically relating to tension, friction, and angular motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of angular velocity and the use of free-body diagrams to analyze forces. There are questions about the initial conditions and how to relate angular and tangential acceleration.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between forces and motion, while others are exploring the implications of their calculations. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas regarding the setup of the problem and the necessary equations to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, including the initial conditions of the block starting from rest and the maximum tension the tube can withstand. There is also discussion about the coefficient of kinetic friction and its role in the dynamics of the system.

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Homework Statement


A .5 kg steel block rotates on a steel table, attached to a 1.20m-long hollow tube. Air is fed through the tube and is ejected from the block, giving it a thrust force of 5.21N perpendicular to the tube. Max tension the tube can withstand without breaking is 50N. Assume coefficient of kinetic friction between steel block and steel table is 0.60. If the block starts from rest, how many revolutions does it make before the tube breaks?[/B]
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Homework Equations


a_r = mv^2/r = omega^2 * R

The Attempt at a Solution


I have solved for the angular velocity and got 9.125. I'm not sure where to go from here or which equations to use. I think it might have something to do with the tangential acceleration, but I don't know how to find that.
 
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Angular velocity when?
Have you drawn a free-body diagram for the block in motion?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Angular velocity when?
Have you drawn a free-body diagram for the block in motion?
I thought I solved for the *initial* angular velocity.

For the free-body diagram I have the tension force (not sure of the value of it), the frictional force, the thrust force, and then the normal force and gravity (which should cancel out). Am I missing something?
 
I thought I solved for the *initial* angular velocity.
From the problem statement post #1:
If the block starts from rest, how many revolutions does it make before the tube breaks?
...
I have solved for the angular velocity and got 9.125[rad/s]
... (my emph.)
How did you get 9.125rad/s from "at rest"?

Have you drawn a free body diagram for the block in motion?
 
Ok, so if the initial angular velocity is 0 and the final angular velocity is 9.125 rad/s, how can I calculate theta from the kinematics equations? With Theta_initial = 0 rad.

The free body diagram I described above is the free body diagram I have for the block in motion. Am I missing something?
 
Fnet_r = m*omega^2*r
50 = .5 * omega^2 * 1.2
omega = 9.13 rad/s

Fnet_t = m*a_t
2.27 (Thrust minus frictional force) = 0.5 * a_t
a_t = 4.54 m/s^2

Not sure where to go from here...
 
You start by using a free body diagram - if you don't take advise I cannot help you.
##\sum\tau = I\alpha##

What is the relationship between angular and tangential acceleration.
 
Figured it out! Neglected the fact that alpha = a_t / R -- once I realized that I was able to use the equations. Got theta final = 10.987 rad, comes out to 1.75 revolutions. Thanks for the help!
 
No worries.
It often helps just to talk it out even if you don't get the answers directly from feedback.
It does help us to help you quickly if you include your reasoning with your working.
Cheers.
 

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