Coefficient of friction for surface

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the coefficient of friction and the forces acting on a block. The original poster presents two parts: calculating the coefficient of friction for a block being pushed at constant velocity and determining the additional weight placed on the block when a different force is required to maintain that velocity.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the coefficient of friction using the relationship between frictional force and normal force but questions their result. Participants question the method used to derive the normal force from the weight provided.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the concepts of weight, normal force, and the relationship between them. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of units and the definitions involved, leading to a realization of a mistake by the original poster.

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The original poster's calculations are based on the assumption that the weight provided can be directly used to find the normal force without converting to mass, which has led to confusion in the discussion.

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a) A block weighing 9.1N requires a force of 2.8N to push it along at constant velocity. What is the coefficient of friction for the surface?
b) A weight "W" is now place on the the block and 8N is needed to push them both at constant velocity. What is weight "W" on the block?

This is what I got:
Since it is constant velocity, there is no acceleration, therefore Fnet is 0, therefore Ff is 2.8N.
Normal force is (9.1)(9.8) =89.18N
Formula: Ff=uN

2.8=u(89.18)
2.8/89.18=u
Therefore u= 0.031
, but that's not the right answer... Why? what did I do wrong?

I take it I need to know a before I can do b?
 
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Why did you multiply the weight of 9.1 N by 9.8 to get the normal force?
 
jamesrc said:
Why did you multiply the weight of 9.1 N by 9.8 to get the normal force?

Hm? Don't you need to?
Fg=mg so Fg=(9.1)(9.8), and normal force is going the other direction and Fnet=0, so normal force is also 89.18.

Isn't that right?
 
The weight would equal the mass times g, but you weren't given the mass, you were given the weight which is equal to the normal force. Look at your units: N is a unit of force, if you were given mass in kg and multiplied that by g which has units [m/s^2], you would end up with Newtons (again, a force). But what is 1N * 1m/s^2?
 
jamesrc said:
The weight would equal the mass times g, but you weren't given the mass, you were given the weight which is equal to the normal force. Look at your units: N is a unit of force, if you were given mass in kg and multiplied that by g which has units [m/s^2], you would end up with Newtons (again, a force). But what is 1N * 1m/s^2?

ohhh. I see what I did wrong, thanks! You're great help!
I can't believe my mistake!
 

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