Computing for magnetic force. Please check my answer.

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The discussion focuses on calculating the magnetic force on a charged particle with a given charge and velocity in a specified magnetic field. The formula used is \(\vec{F} = q (\vec{v} \times \vec{B})\), leading to a force vector expressed in terms of its components. Participants clarify that the magnitude of the force can be calculated using the formula \(\left|\vec{F}\right| = \sqrt{(A_x)^2 + (A_y)^2 + (A_z)^2}\) and that the direction is represented by the unit vector derived from the force vector. The final answer includes both the magnitude and the unit vector, which indicates the direction of the force in three-dimensional space. Understanding the representation of direction through unit vectors is emphasized as a key point in the discussion.
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Homework Statement



Find the magnitude and direction of the magnetic force on a charged particle with charge -4nC and velocity

\vec{v} = (2.5\times 10^{4}) \hat{i} + (1.1 \times 10^{4}) \hat{j} (m/s)

if the magnetic field in the region is given by

\vec{B} = (1.2\times 10^{-3}) \hat{i} + (5.6 \times 10^{-3}) \hat{j} - (3.2 \times 10^{-3}) \hat{k} (T).

Homework Equations



\vec{F} = q (\vec{v} \times \vec{B})

The Attempt at a Solution



\vec{F} = q (\vec{v} \times \vec{B})

\vec{F} = (-4 \times 10^{-9} C) \left[\left((2.5\times 10^{4}) \hat{i} + (1.1 \times 10^{4}) \hat{j}\right) \times \left((1.2\times 10^{-3}) \hat{i} + (5.6 \times 10^{-3}) \hat{j} - (3.2 \times 10^{-3}) \hat{k} \right) \right]

\vec{F} = (-4 \times 10^{-9} C)\left[\left[(1.1 \times 10^{4})(-3.2 \times 10^{-3})\right] \hat{i} - \left[(2.5 \times 10^{4})(-3.2 \times 10^{-3})\right] \hat{j}+ \left[(2.5 \times 10^{4})(5.6 \times 10^{-3}) - (1.1 \times 10^{4}) (1.2 \times 10^{-3})\right] \hat{k}\right]

\vec{F} = (-4 \times 10^{-9} C) (-35.2 \hat{i} + 80 \hat{j} + 126.8 \hat{k})

\vec{F} = (1.4 \times 10^{-7}) \hat{i} - (3.2 \times 10^{-7}) \hat{j} - (5.0 \times 10^{-7})\hat{k} (N)

Is this already the answer? Am I correct? Thanks in advance.
 
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hi jhosamelly! :wink:

looks ok so far :smile:

now the question asks for the "magnitude and direction" :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi jhosamelly! :wink:

looks ok so far :smile:

now the question asks for the "magnitude and direction" :wink:

Yah.., that's what I was thinking ..

I know how to get the magnitude.. Its

\left|\vec{F}\right| = \sqrt{(A_x)^2 + (A_y)^2 + (A_z)^2 }

but the question also asks for the direction.. which I think is the i-hat, j-hat, and k-hat..

so., I think my answer earlier is already the final answer.. If not. How can I find the direction?
 
hi jhosamelly! :smile:

yes, that's the magnitude

my guess is that they want the direction defined by the unit vector :wink:
 
hmmm.. meaning the question is asking if the force is pointing along the + or - , x- y- or z- axis...?? so i have three directions?? + x-axis, - y-axis and - z-axis? This is what confused me... I know this is not possible.. so, what is the direction of the force?
 
jhosamelly said:
hmmm.. meaning the question is asking if the force is pointing along the + or - , x- y- or z- axis...??

nooo …

the is a unit vector in every direction

every vector r is|r| (the magnitude) times the unit vector r^ :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
nooo …

the is a unit vector in every direction

every vector r is|r| (the magnitude) times the unit vector r^ :wink:


ow yah! Right! Thanks for reminding me :))

so I need to do

\hat{F} = \frac{\vec{F}}{\left|\vec{F}\right|}
 
Yup! :biggrin:
 
tiny-tim said:
Yup! :biggrin:
I already did it.

\left|\vec{F}\right| = \sqrt{(A_x)^2 + (A_y)^2 + (A_z)^2 }

\left|\vec{F}\right| = \sqrt{(1.4 \times 10^{-7})^2 + (-3.2 \times 10^{-7})^2 + (-5.0 \times 10^{-7})^2 }
\left|\vec{F}\right| = 6.18 \times 10^{-7}\hat{F} = \frac{\vec{F}}{\left|\vec{F}\right|}

\hat{F} = \frac{(1.4 \times 10^{-7}) \hat{i} - (3.2 \times 10^{-7}) \hat{j} - (5.0 \times 10^{-7})\hat{k}}{6.18 \times 10^{-7}}

\hat{F} = .23 \hat{i} - .52 \hat{j} - .82 \hat{k}

so, again I still have 3 components.. Hmmmm... What's the direction then?
 
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jhosamelly said:
\hat{F} = .23 \hat{i} - .52 \hat{j} - .82 \hat{k}

so, again I still have 3 components.. Hmmmm... What's the direction then?

d'oh! :rolleyes:

that unit vector is the direction! :smile:
 
  • #11
tiny-tim said:
d'oh! :rolleyes:

that unit vector is the direction! :smile:

Is that so?? hmmmm... I know that only happens if only one component is left?? O well, I was mistaken.. thanks for your help.
 
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perhaps i should add …

i j and k are the basis unit vectors​
 
  • #13
tiny-tim said:
perhaps i should add …

i j and k are the basis unit vectors​

I see.. Big thanks :)) So the final answer is that unit vector and the magnitude. I see. Thanks :))))))))
 
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