Why Does Tension Vary on Different Sides of an Accelerating Pulley?

In summary, The tension in a non-extensible rope is typically assumed to be uniform throughout the rope, but when considering rotational inertia and acceleration, it may be necessary to account for different tensions on each side of a pulley. However, in the case of a frictionless massless pulley, the tensions must be equal on both sides due to the lack of net torque required for rotational acceleration. This is also true for a pulley with no friction, as any friction would require a net torque to overcome it. It is important to distinguish between tensions and torques in these scenarios, as they can vary independently.
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johnschmidt
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Sometimes when I see pulley and rope questions people will say "for a non-extensible rope the tension is uniform throughout the rope". But I am now learning pulleys and rotational inertia and it seems to be necessary to consider the rope on either side of a pulley to have _different_ tension if the pulley is being accelerated rotationally.

Why would this different tension not apply to a frictionless massless pulley that is being accelerated rotationally?

For example, here we see the rope have different tension on each side of the pulley:

 
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johnschmidt said:
Why would this different tension not apply to a frictionless massless pulley that is being accelerated rotationally?
The key word is massless. A massless pulley requires no net torque to rotationally accelerate, thus the tension must be the same on each side. (Actually, frictionless is important too! If there were friction, you'd need a net torque to overcome it.)
 
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To be clear, the different torques are used when the pulley requires torque, but NOT simply because the pulley accelerates rotationally, correct?
 
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johnschmidt said:
To be clear, the different torques are used when the pulley requires torque, but NOT simply because the pulley accelerates rotationally, correct?
Yes.
 
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johnschmidt said:
To be clear, the different torques are used when the pulley requires torque, but NOT simply because the pulley accelerates rotationally, correct?

I meant different TENSIONS, of course, not different torques.

Thanks haruspex!
 
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johnschmidt said:
I meant different TENSIONS, of course, not different torques.

Thanks haruspex!
Actually, it can happen that torques are the same but the tensions are different. The pulley's axis could be off-centre.
 

What are pulleys and how do they work?

Pulleys are simple machines made up of a wheel with a groove, a rope or belt, and a load. They work by changing the direction of force applied to the load, making it easier to lift heavy objects.

What is tension and how is it related to pulleys?

Tension is the force applied to an object that is being pulled or stretched. In the case of pulleys, tension is created by the weight of the load and is distributed evenly throughout the rope or belt, allowing for the load to be lifted with less effort.

What is the difference between fixed and movable pulleys?

A fixed pulley is attached to a structure and does not move, while a movable pulley is attached to the load and moves along with it. In a fixed pulley, the direction of force is changed, while in a movable pulley, the force is reduced.

How do I calculate the mechanical advantage of a pulley system?

The mechanical advantage of a pulley system is the ratio of the output force (the weight of the load) to the input force (the force applied to the rope or belt). It can be calculated by counting the number of ropes supporting the load, with each rope adding to the mechanical advantage.

What are some real-life examples of pulleys and tension?

Pulleys and tension can be found in many everyday objects, such as window blinds, elevators, and flagpoles. They are also used in more complex systems, like cranes and sailboats. In the human body, tendons act as pulleys to help us move our muscles.

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