Conservation of Angular Momentum; angle of rotation

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The problem involves a block sliding down a frictionless ramp and colliding with a uniform rod, leading to a discussion on the conservation of angular momentum and energy. The goal is to find the angle of rotation θ after the collision.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of conservation of energy and angular momentum to analyze the system. There is confusion regarding the application of angular momentum immediately after the collision and the conservation of energy during the subsequent motion.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications on the conservation principles applicable during the collision and the subsequent motion. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between angular momentum and energy conservation in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of an inelastic collision and the definitions of conserved quantities in different phases of the problem. There is a noted uncertainty about the initial conditions and the definitions of momentum and energy conservation in this scenario.

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Homework Statement


A block of mass m slides down a frictionless ramp from height h above the floor. At the base of the ramp it collides and sticks to the lower end of a uniform rod, length L, mass 2m, that is suspended about a pivot at point O, about which it is free to rotate. Express answers in terms of m, g, h, and L.
Find the angle θ through which the system rotates before momentarily coming to rest after the collision.

Homework Equations


I used conservation of energy to determine angular speed ω immediately after collision: Ei = Ef
I used v = Rω to find kinetic energy of the system after collision.

The Attempt at a Solution


I found ω to be √6gh/5L^2 ; I found kinetic energy after the collision to be (9/5)(mgh). However, I'm at a loss at how to find the angle θ. I tried using conservation of angular momentum but became confused - if the initial point is immediately after collision and the final point is when the system is momentarily at rest, that means Li = 0. There has to be a mistake in my reasoning somewhere; I need help bridging this gap I have in my angular knowledge.
 
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Hello, and welcome to PF! :smile:

Note:
(1) "collides and sticks" ⇒ inelastic collision.
(2) What quantity is actually conserved during the collision?
(3) Angular momentum is not conserved for the "swinging up" after the collision. What quantity is conserved for the swing up?
 
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Ah, so

1) and 2) Since it is an inelastic collision, energy is not conserved but momentum (angular) is during the collision
3) Would energy be conserved for the "swinging up" after the collision?
 
Knight to b2 said:
Ah, so

1) and 2) Since it is an inelastic collision, energy is not conserved but momentum (angular) is during the collision
3) Would energy be conserved for the "swinging up" after the collision?
Yes. Good.
 

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