De Broglie wavelength calculations

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the de Broglie wavelength for an alpha particle moving at a significant speed. Participants explore the implications of relativistic effects on mass and wavelength, as well as the general principles of wave-particle duality in quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the de Broglie wavelength and question the necessity of including relativistic factors. There is also inquiry into the consistency of mass values for alpha particles and the implications of mass on wave-like properties at macroscopic scales.

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Some participants affirm the calculations presented, while others raise questions about the treatment of relativistic effects and the visibility of wave-like properties in larger masses. The conversation is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored.

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Participants note that the relativistic effects may be negligible at lower speeds, and there is a discussion about the assumptions made regarding mass and its impact on the de Broglie wavelength. Comparisons between different particle sizes and their corresponding wavelengths are suggested for further exploration.

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I had a go at 2 Q's and wanted to make sure I'm doing this right.
so here's the first one, and maybe if i went wrong with it I was going to redo the 2nd Q on my own.

\lambda = h/p = h/mv (\sqrt{1-((v^2)/(c^2))})

so, an Alpha Particle traveling @ 2x106m/s (mass = 6.645x10-27 kg)

\lambda = [(6.626*10^-^3^4)/((6.645*10^-^2^7)*(2*10^6))] x {\sqrt{1-[(2*10^6)^2/(3*10^8)^2]}}

= (4.986x10-14) x (99.998x10-2)

= 4.99x10-14m

how does this look?
and also, am i right in assuming if the question does not state otherwise, that the mass of an alpha particle is always 6.645x10-27kg?

Cheers guys
Ruga
 
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That looks right. A particle's mass would increase as the particle's speed approaches the speed of light, so the wavelength decreases.

The rest mass of the alpha particle is always in its inertial frame 3727 MeV or 6.645 x 10-27 kg. In classical mechanics, particle mass usually refers to rest mass.
 
brilliant - just another quicky, some of the answer guides ignored the whole square root part of the equation.. is that because that part of the equation is always roughly equal to 1?
 
At low speeds, e.g. v = 0.01 c, then (v/c)2 = 0.0001, and the square root of 1-(0.01)2 = 0.99995, so the relativistic effect is very small.

Alpha particles coming from alpha decay or in fusion reactions have kinetic energies on the order of several MeV, so there speeds are not relativistic.
 
I ended up discussing something with friends when we were going through this question - why is it that we don't see wave like properties in larger bodies i.e. in macroscopic levels? is it because the larger the mass, the smaller the de Broglie wavelength, and so the wave like properties are just too small to be detected?
 
rugapark said:
I ended up discussing something with friends when we were going through this question - why is it that we don't see wave like properties in larger bodies i.e. in macroscopic levels? is it because the larger the mass, the smaller the de Broglie wavelength, and so the wave like properties are just too small to be detected?
Compare the 'size' of an alpha particle (or atomic nucleus) with the deBroglie wavelength (in the OP), then compare the wavelength of a 1 kg metal sphere (density = 8 g/cm3) with the deBroglie wavelength for different speeds, e.g. 10 m/s and 1000 m/s.
 

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