Deriving the Coefficient of Rolling Friction for a Cart on an Incline

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The discussion revolves around deriving the coefficient of rolling friction for a cart on an incline, involving a pulley and a suspended block. Participants are exploring the relationship between forces acting on the cart and the conditions for equilibrium.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the setup involving the pulley and the block, questioning the relationships between the forces acting on the cart, including the force of friction and gravitational components. Some are drawing diagrams to visualize the forces and discussing the equilibrium conditions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the forces involved and clarifying terms used in the equations. Some have expressed understanding of the equilibrium condition, while others are still seeking clarity on specific terms and relationships.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the setup and the roles of various forces, particularly the tension in the string and the forces acting parallel and perpendicular to the incline. Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for discussion.

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Hello. I need some help with the following problem.

There is a cart on an incline and a pulley with a suspended block.

Assuming that (the force of friction)= (mu)(N) symbolically show that the coefficient of rolling friction for the car moving down the incline plane with a constant speed is given by mu = tan(theta) - m/[(M*cos(theta))]

M is the mass of the car and
m is the mass of the suspended weight over the incline

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks
 
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I don't get the part with the pulley and the block. Is there a rope from the pulley to the cart or something? The main part of the question just sounds like the rolling friction is in balance with the acceleration of gravity...
 
I drew a picture
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9471/phylab11fn.jpg
 
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Shay10825 said:
I drew a picture
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9471/phylab11fn.jpg

It may be a good idea to draw the forces on that picture :wink:
 
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ok
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5497/phylab26gk.jpg
 
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The formula you placed at the bottom of the diagram is incorrect. You need to resolve all forces so that they are parallel and perpendicular to the inclined plane (with the exception of the weight of the block)
 
I copied it directly from the worksheet I was given

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6411/phylab32ml.jpg
 
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There's nothing wrong with that equation if you understand what it means. It's an expression of the equilibrium condition. But that's just the starting point. You need to figure out (in terms of known quantities):
What's F(parallel)?
What's f?​

If you understand what the equation is saying, these should be easy questions to answer.
 
F(parallel) = mgsin(theta)
f = mgsin(theta) - mg

right?
 
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What exactly does the F stand for? I know the f is the force of friction.

Thanks
 
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Shay10825 said:
F(parallel) = mgsin(theta)
Right.
f = mgsin(theta) - mg
Yes. But f is the force of friction (rolling friction, in this case); express it in terms of the normal force.

What exactly does the F stand for? I know the f is the force of friction.
The way I read the diagram and the equation is that:
f is the friction force
F is the tension in the string pulling the cart
F(parallel) is the component of the cart's weight parallel to the incline​
 
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ok thanks:smile: i figured it out now

Thanks
 

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