Determining correct pKas in organic chemistry

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The discussion focuses on determining the correct pKa values for various compounds, specifically comparing different sets of values for acetone, acetic acid, and hydrochloric acid. The consensus identifies option #4 as the correct set of pKas, with acetic acid having a pKa of 4.8 and hydrochloric acid having a negative pKa, indicating its strength as an acid. Participants emphasize understanding the relationship between pKa values and acidity, noting that strong acids have low pKa values while weak acids are closer to the pKa of water, approximately 16. The conversation also highlights the importance of reasoning through pKa values rather than memorizing them. Overall, a solid grasp of acid-base concepts is essential for solving such problems in organic chemistry.
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Homework Statement


This is a problem taken from an old exam:
C. Which set of pKa’s is correct?
1. CH3COCH3 -7.0 2. CH3COCH3 -19.0
CH3COOH 4.8 CH3COOH -4.8
HCl 19.0 HCl 7.0

3. CH3COCH3 4.8 4. CH3COCH3 19.0
CH3COOH 7.0 CH3COOH 4.8
HCl 16.0 HCl -7.0


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None that I know of.


The Attempt at a Solution


I know from looking at the pKa values we were given in the lecture than the right answer is #4. Nevertheless, I was wondering if there was a way to get to this answer without learning the pKas by heart (a reasoning that would make the question logical).

Thank you,

Joanna.
 
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HCl has to have a pKa that is negative, tell me why.
 
The higher the pKa, the more basic a substance is. HCl is a strong acid, therefore it should be negative... correct?
 
Yep, tweak the pKa equation and see for yourself.
 
A general rule that I learned in Ochem...know water (about 16)...strong bases will have a high pKa and a strong acids will have a low one. Weak acids will be close to water.
 
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