Determining Total Impedance: Q&A

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The discussion revolves around determining the total impedance in an electrical circuit, specifically focusing on the calculations involving complex impedances and their conversions between polar and rectangular forms.

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  • Participants present various calculations for total impedance, questioning the need to divide angles by 1 in certain contexts. There are discussions about maintaining accuracy in intermediate calculations and the necessity of converting between polar and rectangular forms for addition.

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Several participants have shared their calculations and expressed confusion regarding the accuracy of their results. Guidance has been offered on the importance of converting values appropriately and considering the implications of angle manipulation in complex numbers. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problem.

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Participants note issues with rounding and truncation of values, which may affect the final results. The discussion also highlights the challenge of adding polar and rectangular forms directly without conversion.

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My Working for part (i); Determine the total impedance Zt:

Z1=70+j0 + 0+j50
=70+j50
= 86.023<35.537°Ω

1/Z2=1/-j80 + 1/86.023<35.537°
=j0.0125+0.0116<-35.537°

My question is do 35.537° need to be divided by 1 like 86.023? If not why?Thanks.
 

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My Full working:

Z1=70+j0 + 0+j50
=70+j50
= 86.023<35.537°Ω

1/Z2=1/-j80 + 1/86.023<35.537°
=j0.0125+0.0116<-35.537°
=j0.0125+0.0094-j0.00674
=0.0094-j0.00549
=0.0108<-30.28°
Z2=92.59<-30.28°

Zt= 100+92.59<-30.28°
=192.59<-30.28°

Ans is: 183.34<-14.82°
 
freshbox said:
My Full working:

Z1=70+j0 + 0+j50
=70+j50
= 86.023<35.537°Ω

1/Z2=1/-j80 + 1/86.023<35.537°
=j0.0125+0.0116<-35.537°
=j0.0125+0.0094-j0.00674
=0.0094-j0.00549
=0.0108<-30.28°
Z2=92.59<-30.28°
You've lost some accuracy due to rounding and truncation of intermediate values. Keep more decimal places for intermediate values and round final values for presentation. Z2's magnitude will turn out to be slightly smaller than you've found, and its angle's magnitude a bit larger.
Zt= 100+92.59<-30.28°
=192.59<-30.28°
Oops. You can't add the polar value to a Cartesian value like that; you need to deal with the angle.
 
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Oops, do you mean I have to change 192.59<-30.28° to rect form since I'm doing addtion?

Changing to rect form:
R1=100+j0
Z2=79.95-j46.68

Zt=100+j0+79.95-j46.68
Zt=179.95-46.68

Ans is still wrong, kinda far :(
 
freshbox said:
Oops, do you mean I have to change 192.59<-30.28° to rect form since I'm doing addtion?

Changing to rect form:
R1=100+j0
Z2=79.95-j46.68

Zt=100+j0+79.95-j46.68
Zt=179.95-46.68

Ans is still wrong, kinda far :(

Fix your accuracy issue for determining Z2.
 
1/Z2=1/-j80 + 1/86.0232<35.5376°
=j0.0125+0.01162477<-35.537°
=j0.0125+0.009459473-j0.006756747
=0.009459473+j0.005743253
=0.011066462<31.26373489°
=90.36311575<-31.26373489°
=77.24125762-j46.89

Zt=100+j0+77.24125762-j46.89
Zt=177.24-j46.89 (Wrong Answer)

Book answer is 183.34<-14.82°
 
freshbox said:
1/Z2=1/-j80 + 1/86.0232<35.5376°
=j0.0125+0.01162477<-35.537°
=j0.0125+0.009459473-j0.006756747
=0.009459473+j0.005743253
=0.011066462<31.26373489°
=90.36311575<-31.26373489°
=77.24125762-j46.89

Zt=100+j0+77.24125762-j46.89
Zt=177.24-j46.89 (Wrong Answer) <--- Convert to polar

Book answer is 183.34<-14.82°

Book answer is in polar form. Convert your Zt to polar.
 
-_- what am I'm thinking.. Thanks a lot gneill!

Oh I want to ask
1/Z2=1/-j80 + 1/86.023<35.537°
=j0.0125+0.0116<-35.537°

How come the degree cannot/don't have to divide by 1?
 
freshbox said:
-_- what am I'm thinking.. Thanks a lot gneill!

Oh I want to ask
1/Z2=1/-j80 + 1/86.023<35.537°
=j0.0125+0.0116<-35.537°

How come the degree cannot/don't have to divide by 1?

You mean why does the angle of some complex number Z just get negated when you perform 1/Z? The angles a geometrical aspect of the number, denoting the direction of the phasor. Angles get added and subtracted, but not divided or multiplied.

You can see how the result occurs if you work out the reciprocal in Cartesian form:

$$ Y = \frac{1 + 0j}{A + Bj}$$

Compare the polar angles of (A + Bj) with the angle of the result of the division. Also, you'll find that in the general case (Z1<θ1) / (Z2<θ2) = (Z1/Z2)<(θ1 - θ2) .
 
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Thank you sir for your time and help :)
 

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