Differential equation to represent circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a differential equation that relates the input current i1(t) to the output voltage e0(t) in a specific electrical circuit. The context includes problem-solving related to circuit analysis, particularly involving current sources and their implications on voltage drops.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the difficulty in applying Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) across a current source and questions the validity of setting voltages of parallel branches equal.
  • Another participant suggests keeping resistor R2 in the equations, as it affects the current in its branch, and proposes that multiplying the differential equation for the branch current by R2 will yield the equation for the output voltage.
  • Alternative methods are discussed, including using mesh currents, where the first loop's mesh current is determined by the input current, simplifying the analysis to one loop.
  • A suggestion is made to convert the input current and resistor R1 into a Thevenin equivalent voltage source and series resistance to facilitate solving the problem using a voltage divider.
  • A participant reports reworking the problem using mesh currents and identifies a mistake in their previous calculations, specifically regarding a term that should be divided by R1.
  • Verification of the results is mentioned through the use of Laplace transformations as a secondary method learned in class.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approaches to take for solving the problem, but there is no consensus on the best method or the implications of using a current source in the analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the treatment of current sources in circuit analysis and the implications of various methods on the final differential equation. There are also references to specific methods and assumptions that may not be fully resolved.

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**edit** This problem has been solved.For the circuit shown in the figure, find a differential equation the relates the input current i1(t) to the output voltage e0(t). Note that you cannot take a KVL across a current source because you cannot figure out the voltage drop across it.

the circuit:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/70948910@N08/6412941773

my work so far:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/70948910@N08/6413318181/Am I on the right track? We never had any problems with a current source during the lectures, and I don't know if I can set the voltages of parallel branches equal like that.

Any ideas will be greatly appreciated! It has been very tough getting in touch with my professor over Thanksgiving break and this assignment is due tomorrow.
 
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Hi TigerBrah, welcome to Physics Forums.

You're doing pretty well with the problem, but I think you'll want to keep R2 in the equations (rather than substituting eo), since R2 influences the current in its branch. If you solve for the differential equation for the branch current, multiplying it through by R2 will give you the equation for the output voltage.

Another approach would be to use mesh currents. The first loop's mesh current is set by the input current, so you only have one loop to deal with.

Yet another approach would be to convert ii(t) and R1 into a Thevenin equivalent voltage source and series resistance. Then you'd have a simple voltage divider to solve!
 
Thanks gneill!

Using Mesh Currents is definitely the fastest way. I reworked the problem and got almost the same answer as above, but I also caught a mistake. My last term should be divided by R1.

I was also able to check my work using a secondary method we learned in class using Laplace transformations.

I appreciate your help!
 
Hey, glad to help :smile:
 

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