Differential Geometry: Unit Normal Field

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The discussion revolves around finding a unit normal vector field for a surface defined by the equation z=x²+3xy-5y², as well as computing covariant derivatives at a specific point on the surface. The subject area is differential geometry, focusing on surface geometry and vector fields.

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  • The original poster attempts to reparameterize the surface and compute the unit normal vector using the cross product of tangent vectors. Some participants question the correctness of the parameterization and the resulting expressions. Follow-up questions arise regarding the computation of covariant derivatives and the definition of covariant derivatives in the context of the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing feedback on the original poster's approach and discussing definitions related to covariant derivatives. There is a shared exploration of the necessary steps and concepts, but no consensus has been reached regarding the computations or definitions.

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There is mention of using a specific textbook for definitions related to covariant derivatives, which may influence the understanding of the problem. The discussion includes potential confusion about parameterization and the application of mathematical concepts in three-dimensional space.

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Let M be the surface defined by z=x2+3xy-5y2. Find a unit normal vector field U defined on a neighborhood of p on M.

First, I reparameterized the equation for the surface to get x(u,v)=(u,v,u2+3xy-5y2). Next I found two tangent vectors xu(u,v)=(1,0,2u+3v) and xv=(0,1,3u-10v). The next step is where I'm unsure. In the text it gives an equation for the unit normal function, U=(xu X xv)/||xu X xv||. When I use this equation, I come up with
U=(-2u-3v,10v-3u,1)/(sqrt(13u2-54uv+109v2+1)

This just seemed messy to me, not sure if I'm missing something or if that is actually what the answer should look like. Any verification/help would be appreciated
 
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Sure, it's a little messy. I think you are doing everything basically correctly, except you mean x=u and z=v and in z(u,v) you forgot to replace some of the x's and y's with u's and v's. And in the final result I don't agree with your coefficient of uv in the denominator.
 
Thank you, and here is a follow up question that I'm having a little difficulty with.

Compute the covariant derivatives [tex]\nabla[/tex]u1U and [tex]\nabla[/tex]u2U at p=(0,0,0). Where U is the unit normal vector computed in part (a) and with tangent vectors u1=(1,0,0) and u2=(0,1,0).

First, I computed U at (0,0,0) which was the upward unit normal (0,0,1). From here I'm not sure what the next step is.
 
badgers14 said:
Thank you, and here is a follow up question that I'm having a little difficulty with.

Compute the covariant derivatives [tex]\nabla[/tex]u1U and [tex]\nabla[/tex]u2U at p=(0,0,0). Where U is the unit normal vector computed in part (a) and with tangent vectors u1=(1,0,0) and u2=(0,1,0).

First, I computed U at (0,0,0) which was the upward unit normal (0,0,1). From here I'm not sure what the next step is.

I'm not sure either. What's your definition of covariant derivative? It looks to me like they must want the covariant derivative in three dimensional space with the usual metric, in which case the Christoffel symbols are zero, and it's pretty much the usual derivative.
 
Dick said:
I'm not sure either. What's your definition of covariant derivative? It looks to me like they must want the covariant derivative in three dimensional space with the usual metric, in which case the Christoffel symbols are zero, and it's pretty much the usual derivative.

I found this via Google while looking for something else, but it seems by the opening poster's name and the question that we are in the same class at the same university.

We are using Elementary Differential Geometry by Barrett O'Neill and our definition of covariant derivative is:

Let W be a vector field on R3, and let v be a tangent vector field on R3 at a point p. Then the covariant derivative of W with respect to v is the tangent vector [tex]\nabla[/tex]vW = W(p + tv)' at the point p.

@badgers14, I have not done the computations for these problems yet, but I will make another post and let you know what I come up with.
 

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