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Distribution Difference of Two Independent Random Variables

  1. Dec 8, 2014 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    Z = X - Y and I'm trying to find the PDF of Z.

    2. Relevant equations
    Convolution

    3. The attempt at a solution

    Started by finding the CDF:
    Fz(z) = P(Z ≤ z)

    P(X - Y ≤ z)

    So I drew a picture

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    So then should Fz(z) be:
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    since, from my graph, it looks as though Y can go from negative infinity to positive infinity, and X can go from negative infinity on the left but is bounded by z+y on the right

    then should the pdf be:
    Edit: sorry I forgot to include the fact that, because fx and fy are independent, f(x,y) = fxfy in the following derivation
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    ?
     
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  3. Dec 9, 2014 #2

    Ray Vickson

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    What is your question?
     
  4. Dec 9, 2014 #3

    Orodruin

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    Your approach looks reasonable. Is there something you are particularly worried about?
     
  5. Dec 9, 2014 #4
    Oh yes, sorry I was wondering if what I arrived at for the PDF of the difference of two independent random variables was correct.
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    I tried Googling but all I could find was the pdf of the sum of two RVs, which I know how to do already.
     
  6. Dec 9, 2014 #5

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    Yes, it looks ok. You should note that if you know the pdf of the sum and the pdf of the negative of a distribution (i.e., if you know how the the distribution of ##Y##, what is the distribution of ##-Y##), then you can use these two to obtain the distribution of ##X-Y##.
     
  7. Dec 9, 2014 #6
    I'm going to modify the problem a little bit, can you tell me if I do it right/wrong?

    X and Y are two independent random variables, each of which are uniform on (0,1). Find the pdf of Z = X - Y

    Using my result from above, the pdf of Z is given by:
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    X ~ U(0,1) and Y ~ U(0,1)

    The pdf of fx(x) and fY(y) are both 1 on (0,1) and 0 otherwise.

    z goes from -1 to 1 because of X - Y right?

    For -1 ≤ z ≤ 0
    fy is uniform only on (0,1) so my integral limits should be z+1 to z

    For 0 ≤ z ≤ 1 I wouldn't need to change the limits here, just from 0 to 1

    So then the pdf of X - Y is:

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    Is this correct?
     
  8. Dec 9, 2014 #7

    Ray Vickson

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    No, it cannot possibly be correct, because you would have f(z) = -1 for -1 < z < 0 and f(z) = 1 for 0 < z < 1. That kind of f cannot be a probability density function.

    You need to go back and evaluate the limits more carefully; in cases like this, drawing an x,y diagram of the integration region would be helpful.
     
  9. Dec 9, 2014 #8
    I don't have much practice drawing integration regions of density functions and I wouldn't know where to start with this one besides drawing the box with vertices (0,0), (0,1), (1,0), (1,1).

    I think I found another way to look at it though:

    If -1 ≤ z ≤ 0,

    If I want fx(z+y) to be 1, I need to shift the bounds by +1, and then I'll need z+y+1 ≥ 0 , or y ≥ -1-z

    So
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    Then on 0 ≤ z ≤ 1,

    I need z+y ≤ 1, or y ≤ 1 - z

    So
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    Then all together this is:

    1 + z , -1 ≤ z ≤ 0
    1 - z , 0 ≤ z ≤ 1

    I got the same answer as here: http://www.math.wm.edu/~leemis/chart/UDR/PDFs/StandarduniformStandardtriangular.pdf
    but I'm not sure my process is correct because my bounds are a little different than theirs, and I don't know how they computed the cdf
     
  10. Dec 9, 2014 #9

    Ray Vickson

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    You already drew part of the diagram in Post #1. You just need to add the boundary lines x = 0, x = 1, y = 0, y = 1 and you are done---that's your drawing!

    You say you "don't know how they computed the cdf". Well, you claimed before that you know how to compute the cdf of a SUM, and that is all you need to do.

    If ##Z = X-Y## then ##S = Z+1## has the form ##S = X + (1-Y) = X + Y'##, where ##X## and ##Y' = 1-Y## are independent and ##\rm{U}(0,1)## random variables. Thus, ##S## is the sum of two uniforms, and has a well-known, widely-documented triangular density:
    [tex] f_S(s) = \begin{cases} s, & 0 < s < 1\\ 2-s, & 1 < s < 2\\
    0 & \rm{elsewhere}
    \end{cases} [/tex]
    Now just shift the graph of ##f_S(s)## one unit to the left, and that would be your density of ##Z##: ##f_Z(z) = f_S(1+z), \; -1 < z < 1##.
     
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