Do Phonons Have Momentum and Rest Mass?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the properties of phonons, specifically their momentum and rest mass. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these concepts within the context of solid state physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether phonons have significant momentum and rest mass.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on what is meant by "significant" momentum, noting that photons are massless.
  • A participant distinguishes between phonons and photons, suggesting that phonons have a wave vector rather than traditional momentum, and relates this to their dispersion relation.
  • There is a query about the existence of phonons and antiphonons in equal numbers in ordinary materials.
  • A participant defines antiphonons as phonons with wave number -k, prompting a suggestion to refer to solid state physics textbooks for further understanding.
  • One participant asserts that acoustic phonons do not have mass, citing their nature as Goldstone bosons and discussing their momentum in relation to photons in semiconductor processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of phonons and their properties, particularly regarding momentum and mass. There is no consensus on the definitions or implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions hinge on the definitions of terms like "significant" and "antiphonon," which may vary among participants. The relationship between phonons' dispersion relation and their momentum is also a point of contention.

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do phonons have (significant) momentum? do they have rest mass?
 
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define "significant".

No photons have no rest mass, they are massless.
 
phonons. not photons.

significant as in not trivial. (light carries a trivial amount of momentum)
 
ok sorry

The momentum of phonons should be related to their dispersion relation yes? But one should not say that they have momentum, they have wave vector. But I guess that this falls into your definition of "trivial"

http://www.ece.rutgers.edu/~maparker/classes/581-chapters/Ch06-Structure-Phonons/Ch06Sec10XalMomentum.pdf

Their dispersion relation shows that they are massless.
 
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thank you. I'll have to digest that for a while. its mostly over my head. but it answers my question.

do phonons and antiphonons exist in equal numbers in ordinary materials?
 
define antiphonon, you mean a phonon that has wave number -k is the antiphonon to phonon with wave number k?

maybe you just should pick up a textbook on solid state physics, e.g Kitell?
 
Acoustic phonons do not have mass; that's guaranteed by them being the Goldstone bosons of broken symmetries. Compared with photons, they have much lower speed, so for the same energy, they have vastly greater momentum. In semiconductors, electronic transitions via pure photon processes are called "vertical" because the photon momentum is negligible, whilst phonon processes are called "horizontal" because they're energies are almost negligible.
 

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