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The discussion revolves around a dynamics problem involving a collar on a rod, a spring, and the effects of friction. Participants are attempting to determine the speed of the collar after it is displaced by an applied force, while addressing the complexities of potential energy and spring length in their calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the appropriate length to use for the spring in potential energy calculations and questions the reasoning behind using certain lengths.
  • Another participant clarifies that the spring's unstretched length is 0.2 m and explains how the initial position of the collar affects the spring's stretch.
  • A participant questions the use of negative values for the spring's initial stretch and notes differences in integration limits used by others.
  • There is a mention of the spring tension formula, indicating that the spring force changes as the collar moves.

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Participants are discussing various interpretations of the problem and the calculations involved, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach or the correct interpretation of certain values.

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Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the spring's length and the integration limits, which may affect their calculations. There is also uncertainty about the use of negative values in the context of the spring's stretch.

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Students studying dynamics, particularly those dealing with problems involving springs, friction, and forces in motion.

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The collar has a mass of 30 kg and is supported on the rod having a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.4. The attached spring has an unstretched length of 0.2 m and a stiffness of k =50 N/m. Determine the speed of the collar after the applied force F= 200N causes it to be displaced x=1.5 m from point A. When x=0 the collar is held at rest. Neglect the size of the collar in the calculation.

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I already did the summation of forces in the y direction and found the normal force and used that to find the frictional force.

What I'm really confused about is how to know what length to use for the spring. If someone could explain to me why they use certain lengths for certain potential energies it would help me a lot! I also don't understand why they subtracted 0.5 from 0.2 to get the movable end?
 

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It says spring length is 0.2 m. That's where the moveable end is (call it ##x_0##) when the spring is relaxed.
Whole sequence starts at 0.5 m (point A); when the moveable end of the spring is at A the spring is already stretched by 0.3 m.

So for the work calculation you start at ##x_i = 0.5##. Spring force is then already ##x_i - x_0##.
And the work calculation ends at ##x_f= 2##.
 
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Oh ok! Why do they have their x0=0.3 as negative?

And it looks like they integrated from 0 to 1.5. I guess its the same difference. I feel like what you did makes more sense though. Why did they do 0 to 1.5?
 
0.5 m from the wall is taken as x = 0.
(I overlooked that, too, sorry). But, as you say, same difference :smile: as long as you indeed correctly write down the differences...
 
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Cool, thanks!
 
Just a reality check: The spring tension during the process is k(x+0.3), and x varies between 0 and 1.5.
 

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