Efficiency of an imaginary ideal-gas engine cycle

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The discussion revolves around the thermal efficiency of an ideal-gas engine cycle represented in a PV diagram. The original poster attempts to derive the efficiency formula for a Joule ideal-gas cycle, focusing on the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature during various processes of the cycle.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the adiabatic condition and the calculation of work done during the cycle. Some question the necessity of using the adiabatic condition and suggest focusing on heat flows instead. Others emphasize the importance of showing progress in problem-solving to receive assistance.

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There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, with some participants suggesting alternative approaches to derive the efficiency expression. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of heat flows and the ideal gas law to relate temperatures and pressures, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to proceed.

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Participants note the need to clarify the absorbed heat in the efficiency calculation and the implications of the forum's policy on providing help based on the original poster's progress in solving the problem.

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Homework Statement


The figure represents a simplified PV diagram of the Joule ideal-gas cycle. All processes are quasi-static, and [tex]C_P[/tex] is constant. Prove that the thermal efficiency of an engine performing this cycle is
[tex]\eta = 1 - \gamma \frac{\frac{V_{1}}{V_{2}} - 1}{\frac{P_{3}}{P_{2}} - 1}[/tex]
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Homework Equations


[tex]PV = RT[/tex]
[tex]\gamma = \frac{C_P}{C_V}[/tex]
[tex]dE = dq + dw[/tex] (should have strokes through the d's on dq and dw, but I don't know how to latex inexact differentials)
[tex]\eta = \frac{|W|}{|q_{in}|}[/tex]
On adiabatic processes,
[tex]TV^{\gamma - 1} =[/tex] constant
[tex]PV^{\gamma} =[/tex] constant


The Attempt at a Solution


First of all, [tex]\eta = \frac{|W|}{|q_{in}|}[/tex]

1->2
We have [tex]dP = 0[/tex] and [tex]P = constant[/tex]
[tex]W = \int^{V_{2}}_{V_{1}} dV[/tex]
[tex]W = -P_{2} (V_{2} - V_{1})[/tex]
Since this is an ideal gas, we know:
[tex]dq = C_{P} dT[/tex]
Therefore,
[tex]q = C_{P} (T_{2} - T{1})[/tex]


2->3
We have [tex]dV = 0[/tex] and [tex]dw = 0[/tex] since the process is isochoric.
Therefore,
[tex]dE = dq[/tex]
Since this is an ideal gas [tex]dE = C_{V} dT[/tex]
Therefore,
[tex]dq = C_{V} dT[/tex]
[tex]q = C_{V} (T_{3} - T{2})[/tex]
By hypothesis,
[tex]w = 0[/tex]

3->1
This is an adiabatic process, so [tex]dq = 0[/tex]
Therefore,
[tex]dE = dw[/tex]
Since this is an ideal gas [tex]dE = C_{V} dT[/tex]
Therefore,
[tex]W = \int^{T_{1}}_{T_{3}} C_{V} dT[/tex]
[tex]W = C_{V} (T_{1} - T_{3})[/tex]
Also, by hypothesis,
[tex]q = 0[/tex]

Plugging all this into the equation for [tex]\eta[/tex], we get:
[tex]\eta = \frac{P_{2} (V_{2} - V_{1} ) - C_{V} (T_{1} - T_{3})}{C_{P} (T_{2} - T_{1}) + C_{V} (T_{3} - T_{2})}[/tex]

Now, I don't know how to manipulate this to get it in the form that the problem asked for.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
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Your solution does not provide a solution for T1.

The key here is the adiabatic condition:

[tex]PV^\gamma = K[/tex]

Try applying the adiabatic condition to find the work done from 3 to 1.

AM
 
Sorry to revive a dead thread but I still can't figure it out.
 
belalegosi said:
Sorry to revive a dead thread but I still can't figure it out.

Sorry to do likewise but I'm in the same boat.
 
You'll need to show how far you got with solving the problem before you can receive help. That's our forum policy, and the reason why belalegosi got no help last March.
 
In looking at this again, there is a much easier approach than the one taken by the original poster. You do not need to use the adiabatic condition at all. You don't have to calculate the work done either. Just the heat flows. Use the expression for efficiency in terms of Qin and Qout only.

Qin and Qout can be determined as the OP has done. That will give you an expression for efficiency involving T1, T2 and T3. Then use the ideal gas equation to work out expressions for the temperatures in terms of P and V.

AM
 
Jacobpm64 said:
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Plugging all this into the equation for [tex]\eta[/tex], we get:
[tex]\eta = \frac{P_{2} (V_{2} - V_{1} ) - C_{V} (T_{1} - T_{3})}{C_{P} (T_{2} - T_{1}) + C_{V} (T_{3} - T_{2})}[/tex]

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You need only the absorbed heat in the denominator, Cv(T3-T2).

PV =RT and R = Cp-Cv.

ehild
 
Jacobpm64 said:
Plugging all this into the equation for [tex]\eta[/tex], we get:
[tex]\eta = \frac{P_{2} (V_{2} - V_{1} ) - C_{V} (T_{1} - T_{3})}{C_{P} (T_{2} - T_{1}) + C_{V} (T_{3} - T_{2})}[/tex]
As ehild has pointed out, the denominator is Qin which does not include [itex]Q_{1-2}[/itex]. The latter represents the heat flow out of the system.

To find the efficiency, use [tex]\eta = W/Q_{in} = \frac{Q_{in} - Q_{out}}{Q_{in}} = 1 - \frac{Q_{out}}{Q_{in}}[/tex]

In this case [itex]Q_{in}[/itex] is the heat flow from 2-3 and [itex]Q_{out}[/itex] is the heat flow from 1 to 2. Using the ideal gas law to put T1/T2 in terms of V1/V2 and T3/T2 in terms of P3/P2.

AM
 
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