Einstein Hilbert action integral

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the Einstein-Hilbert action integral, specifically the equation $$S=\int{\sqrt{g}d^4xR}$$. Participants are exploring its derivation, the mathematical principles behind it, and the uniqueness of the action in the context of general relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express curiosity about the derivation of the Einstein-Hilbert action and seek mathematical proofs involving the Lagrangian density.
  • Others note that the action is an invariant background-independent functional that depends on the metric and its derivatives, suggesting this is sufficient for it to be a suitable action.
  • A participant mentions that the Ricci scalar is unique in being a function of the pseudo-metric components and their second derivatives, leading to a specific form of the action.
  • There are questions regarding the existence of a formal proof for the Einstein-Hilbert equation, with some participants stating they have not found satisfactory proofs.
  • Some participants discuss the Euler-Lagrange formula and its application to second derivatives, expressing confusion about its implications in the context of general relativity.
  • There is a mention of the cosmological constant and its role in the uniqueness of the Einstein-Hilbert action.
  • One participant raises a question about the scalar nature of the Lagrangian, questioning how it can be considered a scalar if it involves vector variables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express uncertainty regarding the derivation and proof of the Einstein-Hilbert action, with multiple competing views on the existence and nature of such proofs. There is no consensus on a definitive derivation or understanding of the action.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on the limitations of existing proofs and the need for further mathematical steps to clarify the derivation of the Einstein-Hilbert action. The conversation also highlights the complexity of the Euler-Lagrange formula when applied to second derivatives.

  • #31
samalkhaiat said:
Okay I included new stuff (Appendix A) in the PDF which answer the questions you put to me in PM and those you asked in this thread.
Ok, samalkhaitat first of all very nice post. besides I would like to express that you say that For b = 0 , the value of c can be determined by comparing the Newtonian limit of the theory with Newton’s gravity, this gives c=1/16piG. Could you show me how it is obtained ? Very thanks in advance...
 
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  • #32
mertcan said:
the value of c can be determined by comparing the Newtonian limit of the theory with Newton’s gravity, this gives c=1/16piG. Could you show me how it is obtained ?
Pick up any textbook on GR and look up the Newtonian limit. All textbooks on GR do consider the Newtonian limit. By the way, have you taken academic course on General Relativity?
 
  • #33
samalkhaiat said:
Pick up any textbook on GR and look up the Newtonian limit. All textbooks on GR do consider the Newtonian limit. By the way, have you taken academic course on General Relativity?
yes, I have taken lots of courses related to that topic, but ıt has been 2 years, now I am senior( also almost finished second university), and endeavour to remember all the stuff in order to ensure a tremendous master education. By the way I remembered the answer to my last question.:D
 

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