Electric field insulating rod Question

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The discussion revolves around understanding the electric field generated by a charged insulating rod, specifically focusing on the components of the electric field at a point due to the rod's charge distribution. Participants are exploring the implications of symmetry in the problem and how it affects the calculation of the electric field components.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning how the x component of the electric field is derived, particularly in light of the cancellation of the y component due to symmetry. There are discussions about the integration of the electric field contributions from different segments of the charge distribution.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, with some participants suggesting that the electric field components need to be integrated to understand the overall effect. Questions about the direction of the electric field and its relationship to the charge distribution are also being raised, indicating a productive dialogue without a clear consensus yet.

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Some participants mention that the problem is sourced from online material, and there are references to lecture notes, suggesting that the discussion is framed within an academic context where specific assumptions and definitions may be in play.

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Homework Statement


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The Attempt at a Solution



This is problem I have found online and this is the part I don't understand how they come up with this.
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How did they get this for the x component since y component cancel out due to being symmetry ?
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I think they are trying to find dE not E...
 
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The above is the formula given in my lecture note .

In the solution provided in the problem , it is given as
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which means that
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is the unit direction of the component.

In this case , since there is no y component (symmetry) , it has only x component but how do they get
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?
 
The y component will cancel out I think when you take the Integral over all points towards point O. I believe the formula ( at the end ) provided in the solution is trying to calculate the dE at point O.
Wait for more qualified members to reply. I am taking Electricity and Magnetism course right now :)
 
The diagram in your first post shows you dE; it's the field you'll see at O due to the charge contained in the short length, dl. The electric field at any point has both a magnitude (illustrated by the arrow having a length) and a direction (shown by the angle of arrow dE to the reference axes).

It's not until you sum the fields due to multiple fragments of charge will you see cancellations, this entails integrating dE for all of the line charge.
 
ToonBlue said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



This is problem I have found online and this is the part I don't understand how they come up with this.
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How did they get this for the x component since y component cancel out due to being symmetry ?
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The y component cancels out only after you have integrated dE.
 
May I know why does the dE point away and not toward the dL?
 
ToonBlue said:
May I know why does the dE point away and not toward the dL?[/QUOThe arc L is negatively charged. The direction of the E field is the direction of the force on a positive unit of charge. So the E field is directed towards the arc L, as you say.
If you got the impression it's directed away from L it's probably because of the picture. However, the picture is still right since the answer is negative.
 

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