Electric Flow through a Cylinder Without Bases

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The discussion focuses on calculating the electric flux through a cylindrical shape without bases, given its height of 2h and radius R, with a charge Q located at one point. The final answer for the electric flow is derived as Q/[epsilon0*sqrt(1+R^2/h^2)]. Participants suggest using Gauss' Law to find the total flux and then subtracting the flux through the cylinder's flat ends. A participant encounters difficulties with their calculations, leading to a discrepancy between their results and the expected answer. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately accounting for the geometry and applying Gauss' Law correctly to resolve the electric flow calculation.
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http://t2.technion.ac.il/~snoop/Q.gif
Q is at one point
R is the radius of this cylinder, it's height is 2h
the cylinder is without the bases.
how can i calculate the electric flow through it?
the final answer is Q/[epsilon0*sqrt(1+R^2/h^2)]
 
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Why don't you try calculating the flux through the flat top and bottom of the cylinder? Then you could subtract it from the total flux given by Gauss' Law.
 
ori said:
http://t2.technion.ac.il/~snoop/Q.gif
Q is at one point
R is the radius of this cylinder, it's height is 2h
the cylinder is without the bases.
how can i calculate the electric flow through it?
the final answer is Q/[epsilon0*sqrt(1+R^2/h^2)]
where is my mistake:

we take ball with radius sqrt(R^2+h^2) and look on the rounded bases: the area of this ball inside the cylinder.

flow through bases / flow through all ball = bases area / all ball area

gaus: all ball flow is Q/epsilon0

all ball area is 4pi(R^2+h^2)

base area = circumference of projection of the base on y=2h * height of base
=(2pi*R)*[sqrt(R^2+h^2)-h]

2 bases area = base area * 2 = 4pi*R[sqrt(R^2+h^2)-h]

flow through bases=bases area*flow through all ball / all ball area=
= 4pi(R^2+h^2)Q/(epsilon0 4pi*R[sqrt(R^2+h^2)-h])=
Q(R^2+h^2)/(epsilon0 *R[sqrt(R^2+h^2)-h])

now that's not like that right answer, coz we can assign r=1 h=1
my answer qives 2/(sqrt(2)-1) * Q/epsilon0 = 2(1+sqrt(2)) * Q/epsilon0
right answer gives 1/sqrt(2) * Q/epsilon0
 
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Tide said:
Why don't you try calculating the flux through the flat top and bottom of the cylinder? Then you could subtract it from the total flux given by Gauss' Law.
we get too hard integral at that case:
S r^2/(r^2+h^2)^(3/2) dr
or something like that
 
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