Entropy change : pure mixing of gases

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In the discussion, three identical boxes of volume V are analyzed, containing non-interacting particles of two species, 'N' and 'n'. The entropy change during the mixing process is debated, with initial calculations suggesting a discrepancy in the expected zero change. It is clarified that while the total energy and volume remain constant, the correct statistical mechanical interpretation accounts for indistinguishability among particles of the same species. The correct expression for the entropy change involves the factorials of the particle counts, indicating that the initial assumption of zero entropy change was flawed. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately representing particle distinguishability in entropy calculations.
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Consider three identical boxes of volume V. the first two boxes will contain particles of two different species 'N' and 'n'.

The first box contains 'N' identical non interacting particles in a volume V. The second box contains 'n' non interacting particles. The third box is the result of mixing of these two boxes.

Note that the particles are non interacting and the volumes of all the boxes are identical. The total energy which is the just the kinetic energy is conserved.

The change in the entropy for such a process is zero from either statistical or thermodynamical calculations.

The SMI of the first box is:

If we assume that there are M cells in volume V then the number of configurations are M^N(if the particles are distinguishable) and if the particles are indistinguishable then the no. of configurations are M^N / N!

hence, SMI ( 1 ) = log M^N / N!

similarly, SMI ( 2 ) = log M^n / n!

and , SMI ( 3 ) = log M^( N+n ) (distinguishable particles are present)

now Δ SMI =SMI(3) - ( SM1( 1 ) + SMI( 2 ) ) = log M^( N+n ) - log M^( N+n ) / N! n! = log N! n!

And therefore ΔS = K ln 2 (ΔSMI) which turns out to be not zero.

Why is there a discrepancy?. Is there some conceptual mistake in the SMI calculation.

In the book, the author explains that the change in SMI is zero since there is no change in volume or energy and hence the locational SMI change and the momenta SMI change are zero...please help.
 
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blackdranzer said:
The change in the entropy for such a process is zero from either statistical or thermodynamical calculations
If, by 'process', you mean the mixing, then: no.
 
BvU said:
If, by 'process', you mean the mixing, then: no.

as long as the volume of the box after mixing remains the same and for an ideal gas, the change in entropy is zero. But, if the volume of the third box is larger then ofcourse, entropy increases...

note: Referred from "Entropy and the second law, interpretations and mis-interpretations " Ariah Ben Naim (2013) pg. no. 144
 
blackdranzer said:
The change in the entropy for such a process is zero
So: what is the 'process' ?
 
"SMI ( 3 ) = log M^( N+n ) (distinguishable particles are present)"
This is not correct. The particles are not all distinguishable from each other. The Ns are indistinguishable from each other , and so are the ns, but the Ns are distinguishable from the ns. The correct expression is log M^(N+n)/N!n! (as distinct from log M^(N+n)/(N+n)!, which is what it would be if all the particles were indistinguishable).
 
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