Equillibrium of electrostatic forces of 2 charges on a 3rd

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The problem involves two charged particles located on the x-axis, with the first particle at the origin having a charge of +1.6 µC and the second particle having a charge of -3.1 µC positioned 10.5 cm away. The objective is to determine the position of a third particle with an unknown charge such that the net electrostatic force acting on it from the first two particles is zero.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the charges being opposite and the necessity for the third particle to have a negative charge, suggesting its position must be to the left of the first particle. There is a focus on balancing the forces exerted by the two existing charges.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations and potential values for the position of the third particle, including a mention of a quadratic equation yielding two solutions. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these values, particularly regarding the physical meaning of negative distances and the appropriateness of the calculated distances.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the nature of distances in the context of the problem, with some participants questioning the validity of negative values in this scenario. The conversation also touches on how the relationship between the magnitudes of the charges affects the required distance for equilibrium.

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Homework Statement



Two particles lie on the x axis. The first particle is at the origin with a charge of +1.6uC and the other has a charge of -3.1uC and is +10.5cm away. If particle 3 of unknown charge q3 is to be located such that the net electrostatic force on it from particles 1 and 2 is zero. what is the coordinates of the third particle?


Homework Equations



Coloumbs Law: F = k (q1 q2) \ r^2


The Attempt at a Solution



Since the charges of the particles are opposite, and because particle 1 has a smaller magnitude, then the third particle must go to the left of particle 1 and must have a negative charge. This is because for the net to be 0, then the strong force at a distance must repel as strongly as the small force nearby attracts. If the net force is to be 0, then the forces must have the same magnitude. So: k(1.6q)/d^2 = k(3.1q) / (10.5+d)^2.
I get the 26 cm, but that can't be right. Any thoughts?
 
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afulldevnull said:

Homework Statement



Two particles lie on the x axis. The first particle is at the origin with a charge of +1.6uC and the other has a charge of -3.1uC and is +10.5cm away. If particle 3 of unknown charge q3 is to be located such that the net electrostatic force on it from particles 1 and 2 is zero. what is the coordinates of the third particle?


Homework Equations



Coloumbs Law: F = k (q1 q2) \ r^2


The Attempt at a Solution



Since the charges of the particles are opposite, and because particle 1 has a smaller magnitude, then the third particle must go to the left of particle 1 and must have a negative charge. This is because for the net to be 0, then the strong force at a distance must repel as strongly as the small force nearby attracts. If the net force is to be 0, then the forces must have the same magnitude. So: k(1.6q)/d^2 = k(3.1q) / (10.5+d)^2.
I get the 26 cm, but that can't be right. Any thoughts?

You said that d was on the left of the origin - so is negative.
The solution of the quadratic equation yields approx 26 and also around -4.
Perhaps it is the "-4" you are after.

Also, the charge of q3 can be either positive or negative.
 
PeterO said:
You said that d was on the left of the origin - so is negative.
The solution of the quadratic equation yields approx 26 and also around -4.
Perhaps it is the "-4" you are after.

Also, the charge of q3 can be either positive or negative.

d is a distance, so it cannot be negative, and because we are solving for d then -4 cannot be an answer either

edit: 26 is the right answer
 
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afulldevnull said:
d is a distance, so it cannot be negative, and because we are solving for d then -4 cannot be an answer either

Points taken.
Your answer of 26 actually sounds pretty good - if unexpected.

had the two given charges been 1.6 and 3.2, then the "charge contribution" to the attractive/repulsive forces would be "doubled"
That means the "distance contribution" has to be 1/2

The distance is squared in the formula, so the distance to the larger charge is approx 1.4 times the distance to the smaller charge. we don't really need sqrt(2) = 1.414213... since this is an approximation anyway.

so d + 10.5 is about 1.4 * d

When the extra 10.5 cm represents 0.4 of d, which gives a d value around 26?
 

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