Final Frequency and Kinetic energy change?

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The discussion centers on calculating the final frequency and kinetic energy change when an ant lands on a rotating cylinder. The participant is unsure about the correct approach to determine the final frequency after the ant's weight is added and how to calculate the kinetic energy difference. Emphasis is placed on understanding the underlying physical principles, particularly conservation laws, rather than solely relying on equations. The initial rotational speed of the cylinder is 300 revolutions per minute, which is critical for determining the final state after the ant lands. Ultimately, a clearer understanding of angular momentum and kinetic energy relationships is necessary to solve the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


Hi I know my picture has 2 problems, but let's just focus on the first problem parts a and b.
So for part a it ask for the final frequency after the ant landed, and part b is the kinetic energy difference. Basically the
ant=.01kg, diameter of cylinder is .115m,
the weight of cylinder is .03kg,
and its rotating at 300 rev/min.

Homework Equations


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deltaK=Kfinal-Kinital
kfinal=.5*i*w where i is the inertia
i=.5*m*r^2
w=w0+at

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For part a I used the the rotational equation formulas, I am not sire if i picked the correct one though. For part b, its based on part a, basically find the kinital and final with the mass changing from .030g t0 .040 cause the ant has its own weight. Part b I understand its just part a I am don't really know where to start?
 

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The pic is about a bullet hitting a wooden block.
Note: do not do physics by trying to guess the right formula. Instead, try to figure out what physical principle is at work ... i.e. some sort of conservation law.
Guessing you have a rotating cylinder that an ant drops on ... part b is easier.
Part (a) the frequency will be related to the angular velocity, which is related to both angular momentum and kinetic energy. The kinetic energy is also related to angular momentum.
 
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Omg sorry I uploaded the wrong picture, its this one. Please disreguard the image in my first post. Also for #1 part a, I need to get the final rev/min after the ant falls on it, so I am thinking, w=2*pi*f. But I have two unknowns because I don't know how to get f? unless w= winitial which is 300 rev/min?
 

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Sorry for double posting but I can't really find Ffinal because I don't see how I can use the initial frequency of 300 to get the final frequency?
 
Read Simon's post again. Don't start with equations, think about principles. See if you can reply to this without mentioning a single equation :-) If you get that right, then you can think about which equations might be relevant.

So which principle should you apply here?
 
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