Engineering Find di(0+)/dt and dv(0+)/dt of circuit containing resistor, inductor

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The discussion centers on solving a circuit problem involving a resistor, inductor, and capacitor, specifically finding di(0+)/dt and dv(0+)/dt after a switch is closed. The user notes that before t=0, the inductor behaves as a short circuit and the capacitor as an open circuit, but struggles with the analysis after the switch is closed. Key equations, such as I = C dv/dt and V = L di/dt, are mentioned, but the user is unsure how to apply them given the current distribution in the circuit. A mentor suggests that the circuit is a second-order system and emphasizes the importance of understanding the voltage across the inductor at t=0, which is crucial for finding the derivatives. The discussion concludes that while the second derivative is not necessary for this problem, recognizing the immediate voltage change across the inductor is essential for solving the equations.
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Homework Statement
Find di(0+)/dt and dv(0+)/dt of circuit containing resistor, inductor and capacitor
Relevant Equations
I = C dv/dt
V = L di/dt
Dear PF,

I am trying to solve practice problem 8.1 and I am stuck on part b which asks us to find di(0+)/dt and dv(0+)/dt.
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Down below in the picture is my attempt. Before t=0 it is quite intuitive since the inductor acts as short circuit to steady-state DC and a capacitor acts as open circuit to steady-state DC. However, after the switch is closed the circuit got the inductor and a capacitor in series with a 2 ohm resistor. It is very likely that the formules I = C dv/dt and V = L di/dt have to be used but I don't quite know how since the 3.5A current from the inductor wil be spread, a part will go through the 2 ohm resistor and a part will go through the capacitor and I am not quite sure how to analyse this.

Could anyone point me in the right direction to find dv(0+)/dt and di(0+)/dt when the switch just opens?WhatsApp Image 2021-01-22 at 16.04.14.jpeg

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You have a second order system on your hands. What do you get for ##d^2i\over dt^2## ?
Note: pay attention to the signs !
 
BvU said:
You have a second order system on your hands. What do you get for ##d^2i\over dt^2## ?
Note: pay attention to the signs !
To be honest, I do not know. Second order circuits will be covered in the next few chapters. Practice problem 8.1 is asked right after Example 8.1, and in Example 8.1 there is also a second-order circuit but the question only asked for the first derivative right after at t=0+.
The style of this book is that the practice problem is being solved similar to the example problem, so I guess we do not need to know the second derivative of i as of now since there must be a way to solve this question without calculating the second derivative.

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Xhendos said:
we do not need to know the second derivative of i as of now since there must be a way to solve this question without calculating the second derivative
Fair enough. Although it's not very complicated: $$ V = L {di\over dt} \ \ i = C {dV\over dt} \ \ \Rightarrow i = LC\, {d^2i \over dt^2} $$-- but I grant you that it may not be very useful here.

More useful ##-## and in the spirit of the exercise and example ##-## is that for ##t=0## the inductor suddenly sees a voltage difference of 35 V, which should be equal to ##L {di\over dt} ## so the given answer follows immediately.

Similarly, the inductor counteracts any change in the voltage drop over it (fo a very short tine), so answer d) is 0.
 
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