Finding equations for electric field lines

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding equations for electric field equipotential lines, exploring the mathematical mapping of electric fields across different geometries. Participants consider the challenges of defining boundary conditions and the applicability of various mathematical techniques, including finite element methods (FEM) and orthogonal transforms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in a universal equation for electric field equipotential lines, suggesting that such an equation may not exist and proposing a method involving solving for electric field intensity at various points.
  • Another participant notes that mapping electric fields mathematically is feasible only for simple geometries and emphasizes the importance of defined boundary conditions.
  • A suggestion is made that finite element methods (FEM) are the easiest way to map electric fields in two dimensions, while also being possible in three dimensions.
  • Book recommendations are provided for further reading on electric and magnetic field problems, indicating resources that may assist in understanding the topic better.
  • One participant acknowledges their understanding of FEM but seeks a way to derive equations for equipotential lines, noting that the equations would vary with geometry.
  • Discussion of orthogonal transforms and mapping is introduced as a relevant field for electromagnetic fields and fluid flow, with a participant expressing interest in applying these concepts to high voltage electrode design.
  • Another participant references historical developments in connector design as an example of the importance of understanding geometry in electromagnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of uncertainty regarding the existence of a universal equation for electric field lines and the methods to derive them. There is no consensus on a single approach, and multiple competing views on the applicability of different mathematical techniques remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the complexity of geometries and the necessity of defined boundary conditions for accurate mapping of electric fields. The discussion also reflects a dependency on specific mathematical techniques that may not universally apply.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying electromagnetism, electrical engineering, or applied mathematics, particularly in the context of electric field mapping and design of electrical components.

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I would like to find an equation for E-field potentiality lines
Hi,

I am interested in finding the equation for electric field equipotential lines. Ideally, it would be nice to have one equation that worked to find it for different geometries. Unfortunately, I don't think that exists. Assuming it does not exist, I think I would probably have to either solve for the electric field intensity at a certain point...or arbitrarily pick a value that I know exists (using Maxwell's equations?). Assuming I'm in 2D, I would then pick a different X (or Y) and set the equation equal to the previous defined electric field intensity. I would do this for a lot of different X,Y combinations and start to see a line. Is this correct? If so, would I then have to plot those points and just use something like Matlab's curve fitting function to find the equation? Or how would I approach this?
 
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Summary:: I would like to find an equation for E-field potentiality lines
Or how would I approach this?
Mapping electric fields mathematically is only possible for very simple geometry. The boundary conditions must be defined, but some can be infinite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatics#Electric_field

Mapping electric fields arithmetically using FEM is easiest in two dimensions, and possible in 3 dimensions. Point charges have infinite gradients so must be represented by small areas. Again, the boundary conditions must be defined. But they cannot really be infinite.

In both processes, the shape of the conductors are defined as lines of equipotential.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_line#Construction
 
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This book is well worth finding;
Analysis and Computation of Electric and Magnetic Field Problems. Second Edition. 1973.
By K. J. Binns and P. J. Lawrenson. Publisher; Pergamon Press.
ISBN 0-08-016638-5

Also;
Title; Electric Field Analysis. 2015.
By; Sivaji Chakravorti. Publisher; CRC Press.
ISBN-13: 978-1-4822-3337-7 (eBook - PDF)
 
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Thanks for the book suggestions. I requested the first one and was able to download the second one through my library.

I understand how to do it using FEM. I was hoping to find the equation describe those lines somehow. I understand it would change based on the geometry though. Again, thanks for the book suggestions. I'll see if I can find a way there.
 
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You are getting into the field of Orthogonal Transforms and Mapping.
They are useful for EM fields and fluid flow such as airfoils.
 
I'll see if I can read on orthogonal transforms and mapping in general then.
Just thinking about what I'm trying to do, I can see it being useful for airfoils too. I'm interested in finding out how to design high voltage electrodes. I've found some formulas for different profiles like rogowski, earnst, cheng, etc but I'm wondering how they got the equations in the first place.

I looked at their equations and I'm sure it's just because I'm new to this all together but I'm not sure how to even use those variables.
 
The geometry of orthogonal EM fields is fundamental.

For example, the evolution of Paul Neill's “N-type connector” into the BNC connector, occurred once an applied mathematician, Carl Concelman, understood the problem.
BNC = Bayonet Neill–Concelman. TNC = Threaded Neill–Concelman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_connector

But that is all in the past. Now for the future ...
 
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