Finding Force to Accelerate a Wheel Cart for Bending Moment Calculation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to accelerate a wheeled cart in order to determine the bending moment in a stopping bracket. Participants explore the relationship between acceleration, force, and impact stress, particularly in the context of a cart that comes to a stop after traveling a certain distance.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving an 80,000 kg wheeled cart that runs on rails and stops after 7.8 m at a velocity of 0.1 m/s, seeking to find the acceleration to calculate the force using F=MA.
  • Another participant suggests using the relationship d = 1/2at² to find acceleration but emphasizes that for determining the stopping force, momentum (FT = MV) is more relevant than the initial acceleration.
  • A later reply corrects the formula presented, clarifying it as d = 1/2at².
  • One participant expresses a need for more detail, indicating that they are using a theoretical static stress expression from a reference book to calculate impact stress, which ties back to their interest in acceleration and force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit differing views on the appropriate approach to calculate the stopping force, with some advocating for momentum-based calculations while others focus on acceleration. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to apply.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the nature of the forces involved, the time duration for which the stopping force acts, and the potential deformation of the cart upon impact.

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I am having trouble trying to find the force required to accelerate a wheeled cart. so that i can calculate the bending moment in a stopping bracket,

the bit I am stuck on is The Acceleration of the cart, the situation is;

An 80,000Kg Wheeled cart runs on rails from rest and hits a stop after 7.8m at a velocity of 0.1m/s

what is the acceleration of the cart at 7.8m?,

this would allow me to find the force F=MA

I would be very grateful for your input,

*Note, this is not a homework question


Adam.
 
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d = 1/2at.t is one relationship to get a.

But you do NOT need that to determine the stopping force. All that matters at the moment of impact is the velocity (momentum) of the cart.

F =ma is NOT the relationship you think on the stopping side ...The "a" there would be the deceleration experienced and has nothing to do with the "a" that caused the cart to accelerate in the first place...

Try an approach like FT= MV for stopping force...you'll have to decide how long that fixed constant force "F" acts..pick a "T" during which time the cart stops...say 0.1 or 0.01 seconds or whatever you like. And recognize that because the cart may crumple..deform...upon impact, the force is not really constant...
 
formula above is supposed to be d = 1/2at2
 
thanks for that,

however I think I haven't put enough detail into my problem. to find the impact stress I am using an expression from the Roark book on stress and strain where the impact stress can be calculated from a theoretical static stress.

this is the reason I was interested in the acceleration. If I use the expression for acceleration you gave, putting in time taken for the bogie to reach the stop from rest, will this value be able to be used to find the force to push the cart. F=ma
 

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