Finding nearest neighbour equilibrium distance

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The discussion revolves around calculating the nearest neighbor equilibrium distance for CsCl, given its energy equation. Participants clarify that the equilibrium distance is found by deriving the energy equation and setting it to zero, rather than simply using the lattice parameter. There is confusion regarding the completeness of the problem statement, particularly the definition of variables like R. The need for a more detailed approach to derive the correct equilibrium distance is emphasized. Ultimately, a deeper understanding of the energy minimization process is necessary for accurate calculations.
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Homework Statement


The energy per ion in for CsCl is nearly – (αe 2 /(4πε0)) + 8Ae -(R/ρ) , where α is the Madelung constant and A = 5.64 x 103 eV and ρ = 0.34 Å. Calculate the nearest neighbour equilibrium distance.

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alpha = 2 ln 2

The Attempt at a Solution


I think that CsCl is a simple cubic structure
I found online

For a simple cubic lattice, it is clear that the nearest neighbor distance is just the lattice parameter, a. Therefore, for a simple cubic lattice there are six (6) nearest neighbors for any given lattice point.

so then my answer would be 0.34 A ? Is this correct ?
 
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The first line of the problem statement appears incomplete. I don't see any definition of ## R ## and also what do you take a derivative of to set it equal to zero? It looks like you may have a typo or two in your equation.
 
Charles Link said:
The first line of the problem statement appears incomplete. I don't see any definition of ## R ## and also what do you take a derivative of to set it equal to zero? It looks like you may have a typo or two in your equation.
That's the entire problem copied and pasted from the assignment.

I'm not sure what you mean by what do I take the derivative of ?
 
Cocoleia said:
That's the entire problem copied and pasted from the assignment.

I'm not sure what you mean by what do I take the derivative of ?
The equilibrium distance for a system is normally found as the position where the potential energy is a minimum, so that ## \frac{dV}{dR}=0 ##. ## \\ ## Consider for example a mass on a spring in a gravitational field.: ## U=\frac{1}{2}kx^2+mgx ## . Taking derivative and setting equal to zero: ## kx+mg=0 ## ==>> ## x_{equilibrium}=-\frac{mg}{k} ##, which the spring constant equation also tells you the forces are balanced there.
 
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Charles Link said:
The equilibrium distance for a system is normally found as the position where the potential energy is a minimum, so that ## \frac{dV}{dR}=0 ##. ## \\ ## Consider for example a mass on a spring in a gravitational field.: ## U=\frac{1}{2}kx^2+mgx ## . Taking derivative and setting equal to zero: ## kx+mg=0 ## ==>> ## x_{equilibrium}=-\frac{mg}{k} ##, which the spring constant equation also tells you the forces are balanced there.
Ok so it is not enough to say
For a simple cubic lattice, it is clear that the nearest neighbor distance is just the lattice parameter, a.

I would have to derive the energy equation that is given to me and set =0
 
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